Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x07 - "Unification III"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Nov 25, 2020.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Worth the wait.

    19.5%
  2. 9

    19.9%
  3. 8

    22.8%
  4. 7

    14.1%
  5. 6

    8.3%
  6. 5

    7.1%
  7. 4

    2.9%
  8. 3

    0.8%
  9. 2

    1.7%
  10. 1 - They should have stopped at "II".

    2.9%
  1. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm not saying they would be publicly catty about it. But I expect someone would raise private issue about it with Saru. Indeed, if they genuinely believed it was not in the best interest of the ship, they would be duty bound to say something.
     
  2. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    As to the "we'll she's had the book learnin" argument. Star Trek has historically shown to promote experience over education.

    Probably the most obvious example is O'Brien. Even as an enlisted, the show suggested that he would be the de facto commander of the Defiant if Sisko was put out if Worf and Kira were back on the station or whatever. Even with all of Dax's experience, she wasn't suitable until Jadzia herself had some combat under her belt.
     
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  3. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    You're right. It was a false equivalency.

    Tilly being given command of an entire ship instead of just one body is magnatudes worse.

    My bad.
     
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  4. Sisko_is_my_captain

    Sisko_is_my_captain Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I like Tilly but I think it's absurd to make her XO. If they somehow lacked a suitable candidate onboard, surely Starfleet would have a few candidates, especially considering the limited size of the fleet.

    Put it this way...if Riker was killed in BoBW, what would we think about Picard promoting Wesley to first officer? Or Ensign Nog replacing Kira? Or Kim replacing Chuckles? Mayweather replacing T'Pol? All reasonably capable officers, but none of them ready to be second in command yet.
     
  5. 1001001

    1001001 Pull Up a Groove and Get Fabulous! Moderator

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    A little talky, even for Discovery.

    Tilly as Number One? We’ll have to see about that.

    I sure do enjoy the new Admiral. He’s perfect.

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  6. Turtletrekker

    Turtletrekker Admiral Admiral

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    Discovery has used footage from both Leonard Nimoy's first performance as Spock for television and his final performance as Spock for television.
     
  7. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    All the people who are against Tilly as FO have to pay attention to what he says...

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    acting, not permanent, will be replaced :rolleyes:

    And yes, these are the actual subtitles XD
     
  8. eschaton

    eschaton Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Again, I feel like the issue really comes down to one of casting.

    There's basically at this point only a "core four" on the ship: Burnham, Saru, Stamets, and Tilly. That's it. Culber, Reno, and now Adira are at the next level, recurring characters who are given somewhat weighty roles some weeks, and absent in others (Georgiou and Book are similar, but obviously not in the chain of command). Bryce, Detmer, Owo, Linus, Nilsson, etc are a little jumped up from extras now, but their actors have much lower billing.

    Since Mary Wiseman is main cast, Tilly needs to be given something to do just about every week. But her backstory as an ensign just doesn't work well with always putting her in the center of things. Other shows had the same issue mind you. On Voyager, Ensign Kim would somehow be in meetings when lots of extras who outranked him never showed up. But the serialized nature of Discovery and the action often taking place off the bridge makes it more acute for Discovery to figure out. The way they've dealt with this is basically by having Tilly inexplicably glom onto more dynamic characters. First she was Michael's roommate. Then she transformed into Stamets' sole assistant (the others just vanished). Finally she's sort of become Saru's personal aide.
     
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  9. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Cartoon Premium Member

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    I've a feeling she's gonna get to keep the job.
     
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  10. TheMadCloner

    TheMadCloner Commander Red Shirt

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    I thought it was good.

    The crew didn't miraculously solve all of Vulcan's problems by the end of the episode, and the episode ended up being more of a character building one than a plot building one. Nice little curveball. Liked that Burnham kind of finally grew up in this one too.
     
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  11. CorporalClegg

    CorporalClegg Admiral Admiral

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    And in the meantime Saru could be Borgfied or taken prisoner by Klingons.

    I mean imagine someone saying "Don't worry, it'll only be for four years." in 2016.
     
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  12. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Another thing I noticed but forgot to mention: The whole hearing felt like a thesis defense XD
     
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  13. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    Yeah, it aired almost exactly 1 month before Undiscovered Country released.
     
  14. Borgminister

    Borgminister Admiral Moderator

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    I am simply going to have to watch it again without built up expectations... I will say off the bat I didn't like the Burnham taught Spock a few things line, although I realize it's in this universe. I guess seeing Nimoy's Spock made that seem sacrilegious with a small "s". Plus this was no Drumhead or Measure of a Man, not that there was any right to expect that... part of it was probably too many balls in the air between the Tilly, Burnham's mom and Vulcan story... The three Vulcan/Romulan faction representatives were kind of cookie cutter I thought, but the interplay between mom and daughter to get at the "truth" was strong. As were the crew interactions as usual; not sure you can fake liking each other a lot, seems like a tight bunch. Will have to watch again. With earphones or captions, especially the pillow talk scene was almost indecipherable...
     
  15. Ovation

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    Voted 10 (I'd probably have given it an 8, but it had so many tidbits bound to cause some youtuber heads to explode, I gave it bonus points). :techman:
     
  16. tomalak301

    tomalak301 Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    100 years is a long time. They are treating it like the Burn just happened.
     
  17. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    Tilly as XO is a horrible idea and a misstep on the face of it. She hasn't earned it at all, are we really to believe that there is no one else on board the ship capable of filling that role?
     
  18. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Vulcans have longer lifespans so it may have for them. Also we don't know if human lifespans have been extended somehow in the 32nd century.
    It's no different from Cadet to Captain Kirk in Star Trek 2009, which was equally absurd.

    After some thought, though, I do find it sort of realistic in an unfortunate way. As in the sense that in real life there are tons of situations where a boss has a favorite, picks that favorite over tons of more qualified people, everyone is polite and smiles, etc.

    We want to believe Saru is better than your average corrupt boss but he isn't. It's just that he's so nice that people let it slide.
     
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  19. Borgminister

    Borgminister Admiral Moderator

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    Again, "acting" based on her interaction with Saru vis-a-vis Burnham going rogue.
     
  20. Kevman7987

    Kevman7987 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I'd feel more comfortable with Tilly being named XO if it also had come with a promotion to lieutenant too or something. At least Kelvinverse Kirk was a lieutenant when he snuck aboard Enterprise.