Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x05 - "Die Trying"

[Ar-Pharazon]

My thoughts:
* I'm surprised that the fact that Covich (David Cronenberg) and Georgiou's conversation about Terran-Vulcan First Contact was a direct reference to In a Mirror Darkly, Part 1's teaser, which depicted that very event, hasn't been part of the discussions on the episode that I've seen

* I'm 99.9% positive that Nhan will be back before the end of the season

* I get Admiral Vance's caution, but he didn't need to be such a dick at the start of the episode

* I hadn't made a connection between the 'shared melody' plot thread introduced here and the 'All Along the Watchtower' plot from BSG until it was brought up on every single DSC podcast I listen to, but I think it's neat that a show that was intentionally designed to be as antithetical to Star Trek as possible has ended up influencing Star Trek at least in part

* Why didn't Saru press harder for news about Kaminar?

* I don't think Vance is going to part with Willa even though I've seen some speculation that she'll join the Discovery's crew; however, I wouldn't be surprised if we do see a 31st Century Starfleet officer assigned to the ship

* I'd be very surprised if Covich and whatever he did to Georgiou isn't connected to Michelle Yeoh's starring role in the Section 31 series

* Willa's reaction to the Mycelium Gang's functional disfunction was great. I do think Jett was just disagreeing to prove Stamets' point rather than actually disagreeing with him, though, which is new

Wasn't the ENT "footage" MU Vulcans arriving on MU Earth? I inferred Kovich was talking about MU Terrans meeting "teh Prime" Vulcans during the first crossover. But you have a point that it seems to be the example from ENT.

IMDB currently doesn't list Nhan for any other episodes this season. But didn't we see some images that showed an aged Nhan?

 

[Tuskin38]

There's no 'hoping'; the question of the series' setting is a closed matter.

The 32nd Century is where the series will stay for as long as it remains on the air.

One would think you'd have learned to stop making such solid statements when you've been wrong in the past.

I inferred Kovich was talking about MU Terrans meeting "teh Prime" Vulcans

I don't know how you got that out the conversation.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Responding to something from earlier now that I'm back in a sober state (long story relating to Real Life)...


What you're describing is "In the Middle". I felt the same way about Voyager. For every bad episode there were two okay ones and sometimes a really good one. Then there'd be one that was so bad that I'd think, "Why the Hell am I watching this?!" By the summer of 1999, after the end of the fifth season, it added up to be too much, where I decided, "Forget it! I'll watch the episodes Ron Moore did (during his grand total of three episodes on the show), then I'm done!" And so it was.

But before I got to that point, there were five seasons of a very mixed bag. Now I know which episodes to skip but it was very frustrating when the series was first airing and I didn't know what to expect quality-wise. Even more frustrating when it looked like they were on a roll and then a piece of shit completely undid it.

After that experience, I decided to never give a series I was either only so-so on or outright didn't like that long of a leash ever again. If it's not grabbing me, I'm out. "The End!" I figured this out when I was 20. So it amazes me when people who are much older than I was either don't or won't. That's why I get it but I don't get it, at the same time.

I was kinda the same on Voyager and had zoned out by the time the Borg queen became a thing.
Old Trek had an advantage in this regard as most episodes were stand alones with a reset where as the things you don't like in DIS carry on and pile up. Imagine DIS ever done an episode as awful as Threshold and the show was stuck with space salamanders for the rest of the season

 

[picardjean-luc]

It's like Law & Order, a great franchise but that ran for what felt like forever, and had many spin offs, some not so great. I was a fan of the original series but I didn't last till the very end I felt it had somehow run its course way before it officially ended.

Agreed. I'm a fan of both L&O and L&O: SVU, Watched both for many years until I grew tired of its "ripped from the headlines'' case of the week plotlines and realized they've just recycled the same plotlines over and over (esp a problem for SVU which increasingly can be retitled as "To Catch a Predator: Fictional Edition" given it features stories about child pedos & rapists to death)

I did feel sad when Dick Wolf finally decided to move on from doing L&O and started his Chicago-based spinoffs they're subpar to L&O w/too many action packed and focused too much with the personal stories of the characters, which L&O and to some extent SVU managed to avoid. I wish someone will reboot L&O one of these days, but I realize probably it would never happen anytime soon

 

[thribs]

perhaps not a ''meltdown'' but making a 10 minute video about a random background shuttle that the majority of people won't even notice seems a bit obsessive and very nitpicky to me

But they’re the ship guys. That’s their thing

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

But they’re the ship guys. That’s their thing

Why would you even watch a 10 minute breakdown of some 30 second clips of a sci-fi if you are put off by nit picky

 

[DigificWriter]

One would think you'd have learned to stop making such solid statements when you've been wrong in the past.

Really? Did you not bother to read Alex Kurtzman's unequivocal statement - linked to several posts ago - that the series will never be leaving the 32nd Century?

Whether or not I've been wrong in the past has absolutely nothing to do with repeating a direct statement from the guy who is actually in charge of modern Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

Why would you even watch a 10 minute breakdown of some 30 second clips of a sci-fi if you are put off by nit picky

Why watch something you don't like or has let you down in the past? People do weird stuff.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

Why watch something you don't like or has let you down in the past? People do weird stuff.

Ha that's really come back to bite me in n the ass pretty quick

 

[fireproof78]

Ha that's really come back to bite me in n the ass pretty quick

Sorry if that came across as snarkier than I meant. It was meant in good fun.

 

[Kzinti]

Why would you even watch a 10 minute breakdown of some 30 second clips of a sci-fi if you are put off by nit picky

i didn't actually i stopped watching those nitpicker in chief ages ago however we had thread where that video was posted so that's why i'm aware of it

But didn't we see some images that showed an aged Nhan?

not really that was just the actress joking with a instagram filter

 

[Locutus of Bored]

There's no 'hoping'; the question of the series' setting is a closed matter.

The 32nd Century is where the series will stay for as long as it remains on the air.

Really? Did you not bother to read Alex Kurtzman's unequivocal statement - linked to several posts ago - that the series will never be leaving the 32nd Century?

Whether or not I've been wrong in the past has absolutely nothing to do with repeating a direct statement from the guy who is actually in charge of modern Star Trek.

Just like the direct statements of Bryan Fuller or Harberts & Berg which you would have also quoted like immutable gospel no matter how many times that kind of overreliance on the showrunner's word like it's never subject to change has come back to bite you in the ass?

It may very well remain in the 32nd century for the rest of the series, and I hope it does, but there is no way you can declare with 100% certainty that it will based on the showrunner's comments when they potentially have several seasons left to face pressure from the studio, another showrunner change, declining subscriptions or viewership, or changing whims in the writer's room because something's not working out or they want to try something new.

Also, what if the crew leaving the 32nd century is something they've already planned for some point down the line (after this season or another) and they're keeping it a secret so as not to spoil the surprise for now? Given your track record with Trek and Game of Thrones and other shows you seem incapable of grasping the concept that sometimes showrunners don't always tell audiences the whole truth. Not to be duplicitous, but to not spoil the story. I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen, but it's possible. And even if it's not planned that way, things can change, for a variety of reasons.

 

[Kzinti]

Bryan Fuller

off topic but i'm glad he was fired the majority of his ''concept'' for discovery was trash

 

[Gordie]

Watching this episode now. David Cronenberg. Friggin' awesome. How the hell did that happen? I love it.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Just caught up with this ep today as well. Lots of fun, and a couple cool Canuck guest spots. Cronenberg, of course, was awesome. For us Degrassi fans, it was also great to see Craig Manning (Jake Epstein) again!

One question stood out to me, however. During the interrogation of Georgiou, they say it's her third "universe". Does this imply she's been somewhere else that we don't know of? Or did they mean third "time period" (including the MU)? Presumably her illness has been caused by whatever cellular defect they discovered in Terrans. But are they shutting her down for a reason? (that perhaps has something to do with the musical piece?).

 

[NCC-73515]

The universe they came from had an all powerful control and the end of all sentient biological life in the galaxy, so maybe them changing history so drastically by taking the sphere data away makes future people define it as a separate universe

 

[Phoenix219]

Hold on, will we be seeing Sisko in the 32nd century with robot Picard?

I........... am surprisingly okay with this. They might as well go all the way with it, at this point. Rescue Pike and Kirk from the moments before their deaths and just bring everyone into the future. Screw it. I'm down.

 

[thribs]

I was curious about this Hummingbird Cake Tilly mentions so I made one. Sadly it doesn’t contain hummingbirds but it does contains pineapples which is a new one for me in cakes. It tasted fine but I didn’t really taste the pineapples. I might add more next time I make one.
Reminded me of a carrot cake, except with a more fruity taste.

 

[Phoenix219]

Which all take place after the timeframe Discovery came from. Admiral Vance was basically saying we don't do long term things together anymore, and used "five year mission" as a term Saru would understand. Is Vance going to go into detail about how all missions after Discovery left somehow strangely became 7 years?

I thought the point was that they don't have time or resources to do explorationy-sciency 5 year mission things anymore. Their priorities lie elsewhere.

 

[lightspeedbear]

The first episode of season 3 I've actually enjoyed, I thought it was great. Felt very much like Star Trek.

Sloppy writing about putting all seeds in place, under lock and key by one man and his family, aside, I thought it was a very enjoyable hour.

Shame about the horribly fuzzy and badly lit visual effects that made Discovery showing up at Starfleet HQ feel like a hazy, blurry headache, whilst as usual, barely showing off any ship designs thanks to terrible camera angles, but oh well.

Glad they got rid of Nhan too, useless character. And it made no sense she would jump to the future with everyone else in the first place.