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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x03 - "People of Earth"

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And universal translators that will suddenly ignore the translation of certain Klingon (and occasionally other alien) words for dramatic effect.:angel:;)

So, moments like this should be monitored by a careful engineer as a potential system-wide malfunction that may lead into a warp core breach somewhere down the line:D ;)

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How many people here hated: "Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan"?

I ask because the entire setup for that film is the fact that the USS Reliant couldn't tell that:

- Ceti Alpha VI exploded in a star system that was well mapped.

- That somehow Ceti Alpha V was blown/moved into the exact same orbital path that Ceti Alpha VI had previously occupied.

- Couldn't tell that there was a breathable atmosphere on Ceti Alpha VI (And there was because all Khan and his followers were wearing were breathing filters. No one was wearing a sealed EVA style suit).

Also that their scanners, which were supposed to be able to determine if there was even so much as a microbe of life on the planet, were unable to determine that there was Khan and what, at least a dozen or so followers, plus the eel and its babies.
 
How many people here hated: "Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan"?

I ask because the entire setup for that film is the fact that the USS Reliant couldn't tell that:

- Ceti Alpha VI exploded in a star system that was well mapped.

- That somehow Ceti Alpha V was blown/moved into the exact same orbital path that Ceti Alpha VI had previously occupied.

- Couldn't tell that there was a breathable atmosphere on Ceti Alpha VI (And there was because all Khan and his followers were wearing were breathing filters. No one was wearing a sealed EVA style suit).

Yeah I can see why Star Trek fans really hate "Star Trek Ii The Wrath of Khan'... Oh wait.

So yeah if there ever has been a period of:
"Jar Jar JJ Abrams style Trek..." where the writers really don't care about details...
^^^
It started long before Star Trek Discovery hit the airwaves / streaming services.



But I like that movie, and so do many other people. Many trek fans seem to think that one was one of the best, and I get that. I actually liked 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, on and 6 did I mention 6 it's one of the best of the originals.

Oh and yes I see the links to this episode right away..... The Reliant was not working properly or had unskilled people at the controls.
 
People of Earth
The third episode of the third season. Burnham catches up with the Discovery crew, and Discovery visits Earth. This catching up was done rather well. But the 'meat of the episode is what happens in the Solar System (as it's not just Earth involved in what happens next.) But first the set-up. Burnham and Book have information on an Admiral who had been to Earth a decade earlier. More on that later. Of course the Spore Drive is used to get to Earth (and also plays a role in the episode's events.)
The changes in Burnham as a result of the past year were believable. (Are there going to be more flashbacks to that year later?) Why Discovery would have so much dilithium isn't addressed. (Perhaps Kirk was reckless with it? That wouldn't be surprising.) The plan to hide the dilithium on Book's ship was sound (and great setup for later). They arrive at Earth to find that Earth is isolationist and no longer a member of the Federation. Starfleet had withdrawn to protect them from some undefined post-Burn threats.
That's certainly in character for Starfleet. But boarding Discovery without much warning? The United Earth Defense Force certainly is paranoid. However there is something else happening, mysterious attackers after Earth's hoarded dilithium. But they aren't who they appear to be. Rather they're from Titan, which had suffered an accident and was no longer self sufficient. (Lack of communication...) The way the dispute was resolved was reminicent of similar storylines in The Next Generation.
The feint, where Burnham and Book pretend to abscond with Discovery's dilithium to offer it to the Titanians, was done rather well. However, an interesting aspect of this episode is Adira. Curiosity about the Spore Drive was done rather well, as was the revelation about being host to a Trill Symbiont who was part of that Admiral. A very good episode. 9/10.
 
I was happy to see the Spore drive used again. They should always keep it part of the show. It is what makes Discovery different that other Trek series. And I also like the visual effect.
 
On a related note: they've given Picard cover to include Discovery ships, if it wants to use any of the designs from the first two seasons. The EDF identifies Discovery's design configuration and construction as being from the 23rd to 25th Century.

It also gives an in-universe explanation for why there were so many TOS Movie ship designs in TNG and DS9.
Configuration and metallurgy simply mean that the same dish & whale belly & nacelles arrangement and tritanium type was used in those centuries.
 
To be clear, I was talking about 24th Century ships in my post. That's why I referred to the Defiant.

I don't think there was as much of a difference between 23rd Century and 24th Century ships as there was between the 22nd and 23rd.
Miranda's didn't last long against the dominion :lol:
 
TOS was weekly episodic television but the only villains who appeared more than once over 80 episodes including "The Cage" were Harry Mudd and the Keeper of the Talosians, and by the time of "The Menagerie, Part II" he was no longer a villain. Even in TNG the only recurring villains were Q, Tomalak and DaiMon Bok.
 
Yes I do as 4.37 ly would be perfectly reachable by sublight drive as impulse can reach high fractions of light. It would explain why the lost colony only sent a handful of ships and earth just never bothered.
The colony has an explosion and a fire. It is in the situation described in the episode of the series. So it is logical that it sends a ship on a journey of more than ten years. After 10 years when the ship has not returned, the only logical conclusion is that it is the fault of Earth. Indeed, it is nothing but 'flawless writing'.
 
Also that their scanners, which were supposed to be able to determine if there was even so much as a microbe of life on the planet, were unable to determine that there was Khan and what, at least a dozen or so followers, plus the eel and its babies.

The scanners picked up something, but they couldn't tell what. That's why they were theorizing about pre animate matter. What was actually happening was that the sensors were being blocked by the dust storm more than the crew thought they were.
 
The scanners picked up something, but they couldn't tell what. That's why they were theorizing about pre animate matter. What was actually happening was that the sensors were being blocked by the dust storm more than the crew thought they were.

So a dust storm can foul super advanced sensors from space. That's great technology.
 
Welcome to Star Trek! :p

I know, I know.

Feel grateful I suppose that at the very least, unlike Star Wars movies, Star Trek seems to have a slight understanding of how orbital mechanics works. I.e., we've never seen a bomb pushed off of a suttlebay and immediately falling to a planet's surface.


That's not much of a consolation.... But then I don't view Star Wars as science fiction but as fantasy with a veneer of science fiction.
 
I know, I know.




That's not much of a consolation.... But then I don't view Star Wars as science fiction but as fantasy with a veneer of science fiction.


ST and SW fans will always have their quarrels, yet I think they'll be united watching this commercial starring their respective leading men from the 1980s :hugegrin:;)

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TOS was weekly episodic television but the only villains who appeared more than once over 80 episodes including "The Cage" were Harry Mudd and the Keeper of the Talosians, and by the time of "The Menagerie, Part II" he was no longer a villain. Even in TNG the only recurring villains were Q, Tomalak and DaiMon Bok.
To be fair they wanted to use John Colicos as Kor in three more episodes over the next two and a half years TOS ran; but he was busy in theater and when they needed him his schedule never allowed it. He did say in an interview he would have loved to have the opportunity to reprise the role during the original series; and it was why he was happy to have the opportunity when DS9 producers offered it to him.
 
I know, I know.




That's not much of a consolation.... But then I don't view Star Wars as science fiction but as fantasy with a veneer of science fiction.
Because it is fantasy.. Star Trek isn't much harder in the science realm, despite occasional bolts of brilliance.
 
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