I'm sorry, but that is some serious punching down to insult someone just doing there job. Yes, these are supposed to be people, but in this case, Jet Reno was the kind of person known as a jerk.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"
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The Sphere data is still on Discovery and I had a thought.
Is it trying to connect to Detmer?
Has anybody asked why Georgiou was barely affected by that nasty looking raygun/disrupter thingy?
More important why the hell is she in the future? I thought she was doing the S31 show?
She's in the future because she stayed aboard Disco at the end of S2, presumably to make sure Michael made it safely. As for the S31 show, who is to say how that will work? Maybe it will be set in the current time frame, maybe she finds a way back. Too early to say anything at all, considering we know nothing at all about the show thus far.
As for the gun, it appeared to take a long, sustained burst to kill the pro-Starfleet alien guy. So, presumably, it inflicts pain first and foremost. Maybe the shorter bursts don't do any kind of permanent damage. I think, from her comments before she turned the tide on the goons, that we're supposed to understand that Mirror Georgiou has a high pain threshold, and probably gets off on it just a bit. Those rascally Mirror Universe alters and their sado-masochistic streaks.
I really liked this one. Excellent use of Tilly, with Saru employing her oddly charismatic awkwardness tactically. And it paid off!
I love watching Saru grow into the chair. It's really the first time we've gotten to see someone who absolutely wasn't ready for the big job work their way into being the perfect choice. The writers better not mess this up and put Burnham in charge. I can totally buy her as the new First Officer, with her more significant 32nd century experience, but Saru has earned the rank, dammit. Captain Saru, ride or die!
The bit in the briefing where he faces down Georgiou was beautiful. Old Saru never would have had it in him. Too much prey animal, not enough spine. But now he's a force to be reckoned with, utterly sure of himself even in the face of the uncertainty of their situation and the utter unknown of what's waiting for them beyond the ship. Able to force the Empress of the Terran Empire to back down! Ok, so he couldn't totally wrangle her, but that's probably for the best. Tame Georgiou wouldn't be as much fun.
I really hope we see more of the Georgiou/Saru dynamic as well. His idealist convictions against her selfish practicality is absolute gold. I watch their scenes and I can't help but think that this is what the Voyager/Maquis dynamic should have looked like, particularly early on.
I love watching Saru grow into the chair. It's really the first time we've gotten to see someone who absolutely wasn't ready for the big job work their way into being the perfect choice. The writers better not mess this up and put Burnham in charge. I can totally buy her as the new First Officer, with her more significant 32nd century experience, but Saru has earned the rank, dammit. Captain Saru, ride or die!
The bit in the briefing where he faces down Georgiou was beautiful. Old Saru never would have had it in him. Too much prey animal, not enough spine. But now he's a force to be reckoned with, utterly sure of himself even in the face of the uncertainty of their situation and the utter unknown of what's waiting for them beyond the ship. Able to force the Empress of the Terran Empire to back down! Ok, so he couldn't totally wrangle her, but that's probably for the best. Tame Georgiou wouldn't be as much fun.
I really hope we see more of the Georgiou/Saru dynamic as well. His idealist convictions against her selfish practicality is absolute gold. I watch their scenes and I can't help but think that this is what the Voyager/Maquis dynamic should have looked like, particularly early on.
In military service the junior enlisted called those persons officers.
The man with the bucket on shovel duty looked to be a junior enlisted person. Jet Reno was talking about him to another senior officer but not talking to him, because she knew he wasn't qualified to help (for a reason why she was there because Saru ordered repair teams to be in twos).
Bucket man chimes in his name is Gene by the way, he was not being asked for his name or assistance. The Chief Engineer wanted to work alone. She was making a point to the Chief Engineer that she was going to follow Saru's orders and Gene wasn't qualified to be the Chief Engineers second man on his team.
Gene should keep his mouth shut until he is finished with cleanup. Enlisted learn not to speak unless they are directly asked something or if they are senior enough (Petty Officer or Chief) and they see something being done wrong.
This week gets a 7.
Overall, I thought it was interesting, but it dragged a bit in spots. There was decent use of all the crewmember cast for the most part; but my favorite bit was Michelle Yeoh handily kicking as and taking names - although IMO, it was sloppy for her to assume that the other gang leader wouldn't just outright kill her. I also thought the ending was a bit pat - IE Burnham and Booker (or whatever part of the Federation Burnham has contacted and been able to restore <--- And I say that because 32nd century or not, Booker's ship shouldn't have the power to lift a full size Starship); happen to arrive just in time to save the day.
But the last part said, it dopes bring that 'pulp' style element back to Star Trek. And I am happy to see them maintain an action/adventure aspect. That was almost totally removed during the Berman Trek 24th century era.
You also gotta wonder: Writing staff Freudian slip in naming the crewman shoveling Leland shit out of the Spore Chamber - "Gene"? Hmm. maybe this episode does deserve a slightly higher rating after all.
Overall, I thought it was interesting, but it dragged a bit in spots. There was decent use of all the crewmember cast for the most part; but my favorite bit was Michelle Yeoh handily kicking as and taking names - although IMO, it was sloppy for her to assume that the other gang leader wouldn't just outright kill her. I also thought the ending was a bit pat - IE Burnham and Booker (or whatever part of the Federation Burnham has contacted and been able to restore <--- And I say that because 32nd century or not, Booker's ship shouldn't have the power to lift a full size Starship); happen to arrive just in time to save the day.
But the last part said, it dopes bring that 'pulp' style element back to Star Trek. And I am happy to see them maintain an action/adventure aspect. That was almost totally removed during the Berman Trek 24th century era.
You also gotta wonder: Writing staff Freudian slip in naming the crewman shoveling Leland shit out of the Spore Chamber - "Gene"? Hmm. maybe this episode does deserve a slightly higher rating after all.
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Yeah this was a great episode. Loved this one lots. I gave it a 7 as well. There was a lot here. Loved the whole sequence with Disco coming out of the wormhole and the amazing crash sequence. That was some movie quality effects right there. We are so spoilt with production in this show.
I liked that Saru picked Tilly to come with him to the settlement, that was a wise choice. She's got this knack of disarming people with her personality. Plus I'm a huge Tilly fan and can relate to her.
Did wonder about the start of the episode and what's going on with Keyla Detmer. Is she suffering some kind of PTSD or injury internally that we don't know about, then you get that lingering shot of Leland and then her, so I'm really hoping there's no connection to Lelandbot trying to connect into her systems. But I was thinking maybe the sphere data was trying to help her fly the ship and that was what was making her look all wonky.
Loved the fight in the bar, that was great.... Saru using his darts again excellent.
7/10 for a fun cracking ride.
I liked that Saru picked Tilly to come with him to the settlement, that was a wise choice. She's got this knack of disarming people with her personality. Plus I'm a huge Tilly fan and can relate to her.
Did wonder about the start of the episode and what's going on with Keyla Detmer. Is she suffering some kind of PTSD or injury internally that we don't know about, then you get that lingering shot of Leland and then her, so I'm really hoping there's no connection to Lelandbot trying to connect into her systems. But I was thinking maybe the sphere data was trying to help her fly the ship and that was what was making her look all wonky.
Loved the fight in the bar, that was great.... Saru using his darts again excellent.
7/10 for a fun cracking ride.
I liked this episode better than last weeks. I like the crew interactions except for Georgiou who is just doing her thing all the time and interrupts the flow of the episode with normally written characters. That guy who was playing the baddie in this episode acted his socks off, hope we see him again.
I gave this one an 8
It felt like a good old fashion planet of week episode. I also felt it had the swashbuckling energy of an episode of TOS. Yeah the plot was predictable but i think it did a great job of showing how lawless and helpless the galaxy has become in the absence of the Federation, But despite this absence, ordinary people haven't forgotten the Federation or what it stands for.
Saru killed it this week. He rallied the crew, gave fatherly advice to tilly and earned georgiou's begruding respect all in the space of one episode.
I will never get sick of stamets/reno/culber dynamic
A lot of people are saying Detmer has been taken over by control or the sphere data? I never got that impression at all. It's pretty clear she is experiencing PTSD given her issues seemed to have started when she came to and realised she had been injured near her cybernetic implants.
Bring on next week. Earth, Future Starfleet and by the sounds of Georgiou in the promo for ep 3, Captain Saru.
It felt like a good old fashion planet of week episode. I also felt it had the swashbuckling energy of an episode of TOS. Yeah the plot was predictable but i think it did a great job of showing how lawless and helpless the galaxy has become in the absence of the Federation, But despite this absence, ordinary people haven't forgotten the Federation or what it stands for.
Saru killed it this week. He rallied the crew, gave fatherly advice to tilly and earned georgiou's begruding respect all in the space of one episode.
I will never get sick of stamets/reno/culber dynamic
A lot of people are saying Detmer has been taken over by control or the sphere data? I never got that impression at all. It's pretty clear she is experiencing PTSD given her issues seemed to have started when she came to and realised she had been injured near her cybernetic implants.
Bring on next week. Earth, Future Starfleet and by the sounds of Georgiou in the promo for ep 3, Captain Saru.
I went a 9. The usual terrific production values. Saru taking command is awesome to see and his back and forth with Georgiou was great. The stuff with the colony felt like something straight from an 80s/90s Trek episode.
I also think we can pretty much put a S31 show "to pasture" especially with Strange New Worlds in the works now. That series never really felt like more than talk anyways.
I also think we can pretty much put a S31 show "to pasture" especially with Strange New Worlds in the works now. That series never really felt like more than talk anyways.
More thorough reaction on Monday, but while I generally am not a fan of "American wild west" stuff this had a sufficiently future retro feel to make it interesting and no one said "pardner". A few dropped hints here and there made it doubly so. Most of all I liked that they gave Burnham some history before reuniting the crew. As usual this is the best looking thing on TV.
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I felt like this was an 8, which is what I gave to last week's. I think I liked this week's slightly more, though, as seeing the DIS crew back in action gave me warm fuzzy feelings.
The crew interactions were so much fun. Reno as Stamet's moral guide was a blast, as was Culber's threats to kill him after getting him to safety. I also feel the need to mention the gory continuity of Leland's guts all over the floor, with poor Gene cleaning it up.
Saru was just awesome in his scenes where he has to reign in Georgiou. I also loved that he chose Tilly as his partner for the landing party. Her first impression is certainly less stabby than Georgiou's would have been.
What's going on with Detmer?
The crew interactions were so much fun. Reno as Stamet's moral guide was a blast, as was Culber's threats to kill him after getting him to safety. I also feel the need to mention the gory continuity of Leland's guts all over the floor, with poor Gene cleaning it up.
Saru was just awesome in his scenes where he has to reign in Georgiou. I also loved that he chose Tilly as his partner for the landing party. Her first impression is certainly less stabby than Georgiou's would have been.
What's going on with Detmer?
It's very much in the works and not going anywhere. Yeoh is an international star and one of the most popular characters (according to polls).
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They are Starfleet people from 200 years from now.
I enjoyed this one. A simple story and one that's been done before, yes. But then, I like it when Discovery stops trying to be so damn convoluted that it vanishes up it's own arse, so I'm alright with that. The trick is to do a simple story with enough of your own flair and character work that it's enjoyable, and I think they did that.
I'm torn on Georgiou. I wish they'd left her behind because I hate the hammy cartoon character, but they didn't. So they can either use her to do nasty stuff while keeping our heroes' hands clean, or do a Road to Damascus story where she turns to the Federation values in a super cheese fest. Neither option is great, exactly, but at least the first is less cringey.
Stamets/Culber/Reno stuff was very funny, without seeming over the top, and I believed them as a crew on a starship working to fix a problem. Their story is pretty boring on paper, tech the tech to fix the ship, but the character stuff made it engaging. I laughed out loud at the bit with Gene, and that hasn't happened in Trek for some time.
I didn't really get the Detmer stuff, she just seemed to wander around with a concussion all episode, but I'm assuming that will pay off in the future.
V'draysh used as slang for Starfleet/Federation, specifically calls Saru a V'draysh Captain which strongly indicates to me they aren't some separate "bad Starfleet".
The planet visuals were great, the idea of a world built on impossibilities through technology is both nicely futuristic and yet quite TOS like (think the Cloud Miners).
Tilly continues to be an asset to this show. She fulfills many roles: audience surrogate, emotional heart, comic relief. Here she allowed us to see Saru's leadership style and feel the fear of the unknown that they must all have faced (although perhaps they hung a lantern on this a bit too starkly).
I'm torn on Georgiou. I wish they'd left her behind because I hate the hammy cartoon character, but they didn't. So they can either use her to do nasty stuff while keeping our heroes' hands clean, or do a Road to Damascus story where she turns to the Federation values in a super cheese fest. Neither option is great, exactly, but at least the first is less cringey.
Stamets/Culber/Reno stuff was very funny, without seeming over the top, and I believed them as a crew on a starship working to fix a problem. Their story is pretty boring on paper, tech the tech to fix the ship, but the character stuff made it engaging. I laughed out loud at the bit with Gene, and that hasn't happened in Trek for some time.
I didn't really get the Detmer stuff, she just seemed to wander around with a concussion all episode, but I'm assuming that will pay off in the future.
V'draysh used as slang for Starfleet/Federation, specifically calls Saru a V'draysh Captain which strongly indicates to me they aren't some separate "bad Starfleet".
The planet visuals were great, the idea of a world built on impossibilities through technology is both nicely futuristic and yet quite TOS like (think the Cloud Miners).
Tilly continues to be an asset to this show. She fulfills many roles: audience surrogate, emotional heart, comic relief. Here she allowed us to see Saru's leadership style and feel the fear of the unknown that they must all have faced (although perhaps they hung a lantern on this a bit too starkly).
The Andorians seem to be separate from the V'draysh/Federation in the first episode. Zareh mentioned the Tellarite Exchange, implying that they aren't linked to the Federation. And I think the upcoming Unification III might tell us about Vulcan (which I find unlikely to have stayed united when these other founders broke off).
Zareh appears human, and we know Craft was as well (albeit from the Alcor Colony), so I have doubts that Earth, if it still exists (see: cryptic statements in Enterprise), might not be connected to the V'draysh organization.
She’ll have to know his name eventually with around 70 people left on the ship. But as Reno said, she was on drugs, under stress like everyone else, and focused on getting the ship fixed. She was also the engineer who stayed behind and kept a number of her critically wounded shipmates on the Hiawatha alive and knew who all of them were. I don’t hold a flippant remark or two against her under the circumstances.
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