I don't disagree. That's her character.
But I don't think being a jerk is "dehumanizing" to someone.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x02 - "Far From Home"
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I don't disagree. That's her character.
But I don't think being a jerk is "dehumanizing" to someone.
The enlightenment will come in later episodes.
She was on the ship when it left the 23rd Century. You did watch the end of Season 2, right?
At least we know that they aren't part of the Noh-Jay Consortium.
Alcor IV, where Craft is from, was at war with the V'Draysh. They were at war for a reason.
"Bad" might be a bad choice of a word, but I think they'll be antagonists in some form or another. It'll be easier to tell next week, when we're able to see which camp Burnham is with and how they say they identify themselves. That will be a good opening to see who are going to be Discovery's friends and enemies.
Certainly a well founded conclusion.
Again, I just don't get this desire to make the V'Draysh "bad" just because Craft's people were at war with them.
Craft was a good guy. So what? Lots of good guys fight in wars for the "bad" side.
Storytelling with "very fine people on both sides" goes back to the Iliad. The idea of black/white storytelling is actually more recent in some ways.
The Maquis were at war with both the Cardassians and the Federation. The Federation weren't an evil power hellbent on imposing a dictatorial system on the worlds in the Demilitarized Zone.
I didn’t hear or see anything from Reno that was worse than stuff McCoy used to say or that came from any series when someone was talking about Ferengi, Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, etc...
I'm pretty sure you missed the gist of my post. I said they might be antagonists, not bad. There's a difference and I know you know this.
EDIT: In the absence of more information, we're talking in the dark. For all we know, Alcor IV might be a world Discovery herself could end up in a skirmish with.
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Maybe I was conflating you with the people upthread who insist the Federation is different from the V'Draysh. I think it's pretty clear from what Zarah says that he uses the two terms interchangeably.
I don't mind the idea that there is some conflict between Discovery and the Uptime Federation/V'Draysh. But since we see Adira and other Uptime Federation folks serving alongside the Discovery crew, it must be resolved pretty quickly.
I give this episode a 7.
It developed many characters further, and i liked the western theme.
I especially liked the scenes with stamets and Reno.
However i think the whole "parisitic ice" thing is a bit far fetched, and i really dont like the empress. I have the feeling the writers don't know in which direction they want to develop her.
I'm looking forward to episode 3 and hope it will include some flashbacks showing what burnham was up to the last year.
Oh, and I loved how saru can shoot darts now!
It developed many characters further, and i liked the western theme.
I especially liked the scenes with stamets and Reno.
However i think the whole "parisitic ice" thing is a bit far fetched, and i really dont like the empress. I have the feeling the writers don't know in which direction they want to develop her.
I'm looking forward to episode 3 and hope it will include some flashbacks showing what burnham was up to the last year.
Oh, and I loved how saru can shoot darts now!
For the empress in section 31 series I see it staying in the 31st century the emperor's thinks that this new time needs a section 31 and it creates it
I also said upthread that I think the V'Draysh could be this series' version of the Borg or Dominion, so that probably didn't help. I mean it in the sense of they could either be outright baddies or they're just an organization whose interests don't happen to line up with Discovery's. If Discovery's not on their side.
So I see three possible outcomes. In two of them, they fill the antagonist role and in one they don't. Because of the way those odds tilt, I'm leaning towards they're "bad news" until I see more. Could I be wrong? Definitely.
I'm not sure they were. They'd seen Discovery, at least one of them hoped it would be Starfleet, but they had to be on guard. They weren't going to shoot first, they issued a challenge for them to identify themselves, and Tilly passed that. Saru could have too, and Georgiou reads people well enough to know they weren't going to shoot and would have hung back and let the do-gooders do the introductions. She was motivated to get the communicator back online to find Michael, she wouldn't have ruined the chance of getting that. Yeah, when she did come in, she came in all guns blazing, but they did throw her in, different scenario. Georgiou's vicious, but she's far from stupid. I'd want her on my away team.
Like others have said, in the real world analogs, some version of many dominant Earth nations continue to exist for hundreds of years, and that's against a backdrop of limited resources and competing nations with equal or better power, and with what we consider to be the evolution toward liberal democracies as the highest form of government.
Trek teaches us that various planets have been spacefaring for thousands of years, making it more reasonable to expect that the Federation could last that long or longer.
Given that the Federation has solved many of the main reasons for decline of real-world civilizations (unequal treatment of its citizens, lack of resources, uneven distribution of those resources, disease), it is not unreasonable to think that the Federation would last a couple thousand years.
Trek teaches us that various planets have been spacefaring for thousands of years, making it more reasonable to expect that the Federation could last that long or longer.
Given that the Federation has solved many of the main reasons for decline of real-world civilizations (unequal treatment of its citizens, lack of resources, uneven distribution of those resources, disease), it is not unreasonable to think that the Federation would last a couple thousand years.
And what if a half Betazoid had been in the colony that could sense all the hostility from Georgiou?
I think she’d be more likely to view the apparent power vacuum as an opportunity to establish a new empire. Why bother with a subdepartment of a do-gooder organization with silly ethics that only holds her back? Surely she’d aim higher than that.
The rehabilitation arc seems so obvious and inevitable that it might be interesting if she ends up betraying Burnham and the Discovery crew.
IMHO one of the real issues with Georgiou seems to be that she's become a "creator's pet." The writers seem so enamored with her current character dynamics that they don't have her display any real growth. I would say she saw a bit of growth over Discovery's first season, but since then she's been basically static. Which doesn't make much sense, because if you introduce a character who is capital E evil and try to rehabilitate them in the eyes of the fans, you want there to be some sort of redemption arc.
Maybe that's what happens. Mirror Georgiou tries to declare herself Empress of the 32nd century and Discovery turns on her and sends her on a one way trip back to the 23rd century.
That wasn't the context it was being used in.
It was in the context of "those ships can't do anything period".
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