Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[BillJ]

Make a criticism that has substance and relevant to discovery. If all you can criticise is that the writers made something convenient for the sake of plot, which is something all Trek series are guilty of and is often overlooked, why is that worthy of discussion? Its low hanging fruit and you know it.

Was it part of this episode and the next? Yes. Since it is part of the narrative, that makes it relevant to this particular thread. That makes it worthy of being noted. It is a discussion board after all, not a platform for only pro-Discovery opinions.

 

[Lord Garth]

Amazing thing. If Discovery was following Burnham, they'd end up at the same planet she did even if it was at a different time. Seems pretty cut-and-dried to me.

But then going with what I just said, there can't be an argument about nitpicky stuff that goes on for posts and posts and posts.

 

[BillJ]

Amazing thing. If Discovery was following Burnham, they'd end up at the same planet she did even if it was a different time.

We very well could be seeing the same planet a year or so later. Which would then make sense, but it doesn't seem to be the same one, but could be.

But then going with what I just said, there can't be an argument about nitpicky stuff that goes on for posts and posts and posts.

Shouldn't have really been an argument, I just noted that it was convenient they both ended up crashing on planets near civilizations.

 

[Lord Garth]

We very well could be seeing the same planet a year or so later. Which would then make sense, but it doesn't seem to be the same one, but could be.

Shouldn't have really been an argument, I just noted that it was convenient they both ended up crashing on planets near civilizations.

Earth has different vistas and landscapes. This planet probably does too. The shot where Discovery landed was probably shot in Greenland too, with the Discovery CGed in.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Was it part of this episode and the next? Yes. Since it is part of the narrative, that makes it relevant to this particular thread. That makes it worthy of being noted. It is a discussion board after all, not a platform for only pro-Discovery opinions.

I'm not advocating for pro-discovery opinions, so stop insinuating that I am. I'm telling you to bring a criticism of substance. Like burnham destroying the suit, i can get why people would be critical of that as a plot point, cool let's discuss it. As i said this is low hanging fruit and something that all trek series have done. But i'm sure you would probably have overlooked this had it been a series you enjoyed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

As i said this is low hanging fruit and something that all trek series have done.

And hardly exclusive to Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

To be fair...and you know I have my criticisms of DSC and they are numerous...but in Trek 2009 which most posters here seem to love or at least like and respect as a reboot of the movie franchise the Enterprise ejects Cadet Kirk to the surface of Delta Vega so that his disruptive influence has been removed from the ship. His escape pod lands suspiciously close to both where Spock Prime has chosen to hide out as well as Scotty's installation. Both are within walking distance of Kirk's landing site and in frigid Arctic-looking weather with lots of snow and ice. That's an example of convenient crashing or landing in a story.

Well, I think part of it for me is that I can find an in-universe rationale for such a thing happening. In that case, the escape pod was set to land as close as it could to a Starfleet outpost. Kirk was instructed by the pod to remain inside and wait for rescue. So, him ending up so close was probably not a big deal. Spock Prime may well have been hiking and took shelter because of the same beasty chasing them.

But i'm sure you would probably have overlooked this had it been a series you enjoyed.

It is easier to ignore such things if one is enjoying the show. I think that's why I find people's comments around Discovery so endlessly fascinating because things that happen in past Trek and are considered OK are no longer OK. I mean, I get it-it's been years since other shows have aired. But it still happened so why is it given a pass? If it's a problem then it's a problem.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Orion makeup in this episode does appear to have a little but of prosthetic enhancement.

https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1318590821260791808
https://twitter.com/pahshik/status/1318593887519342592

If T'Pol is still alive in the DSC timeframe then she'd be roughly 170 years old. Pushing it but still very much within the established lifespans of Vulcans born in the 21st and 22nd centuries.

Her alternate timeline self was 183 in E², and that was while being stuck on a Human ship for 116 years.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, and today's old age Vulcan makeup would be superior to that used in 2004. Heck, they could digitally age part of T'Pol's face rather than have Blalock endure additional hours of makeup just to look like an elderly Vulcan.

 

[Yistaan]

It would be interesting to see Spock and T'Pol interact. Wonder if that will happen in Strange New Worlds.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Lieutenant Spock. I saw your service record. For such a young Starfleet officer and Vulcan your number of commendations is most impressive. You honor Vulcan with your service aboard this ship."

"Thank you, Councillor. And I, of course, am familiar with your career, and honored that you would deem me worthy of such a statement."

 

[Yistaan]

"Lieutenant Spock. I saw your service record. For such a young Starfleet officer and Vulcan your number of commendations is most impressive. You honor Vulcan with your service aboard this ship."

I guess T'Pol doesn't talk to Sarek much.

 

[USS Firefly]

We very well could be seeing the same planet a year or so later. Which would then make sense, but it doesn't seem to be the same one, but could be.

Like at the start of Umbrella academy season 2

 

[cooleddie74]

I guess T'Pol doesn't talk to Sarek much.

Nobody in Star Trek seems to.

 

[jackoverfull]

Sahil's father and grandfather were both commissioned Starfleet officers. Perhaps they passed their security clearances and codes on to him?

What I wonder is why they could pass him a commission...

Oh, they're both painfully obvious. Trek loves plot holes so big you could fly a Dominion invasion fleet through them.

But only if the prophets are in good mood.

The Orion makeup in this episode does appear to have a little but of prosthetic enhancement.

It did seem odd somehow.

 

[DigificWriter]

Excerpts from some thoughts I shared on Facebook:
* I didn't quite understand the logic in some of Michael's behavior in the direct aftermath of her crashing onto the surface of Hima

* I wasn't initially sure how I felt about Book, but he started to grow on me as the episode progressed, just like Burnham started to trust him more as their little misadventure progressed. I'm still not entirely sure what got him from skepticism about the Federation and its ideals to helping Burnham and Sahil honor those ideals, though

* I didn't originally understand the thinking behind naming an episode "Part 1" when there's not a "Part 2" coming any time soon, but I'm slowly starting to like the notion that the ultimate conclusion of this story is a 'long game' that they're not just going to resolve by doing the typical thing of making the next episode be "That Hope is You, Part 2"

* I feel like Season 3 has something in common with the third season of Westworld in that both seasons came at a time when Sci-Fi fans desperately needed a 'release valve' either from general life or unrelenting disappointing storytelling

* I don't know why given that I'm very much a cat person, but I'm not quite as enamored with Grudge as the rest of the DSC fandom seems to be, although I did get a kick out of Book's rationale for naming her (She's heavy, and all mine)

* I really want a T-shirt that says "I saved all the things" on it

 

[Muji]

Part two is coming next. It just has a different name. Far from the first time we’ve seen this in Star Trek. Enterprise actually did a three episode group with different names: Borderlands (1), Cold Station 12 (2), and The Augnents (3), then again with The Forge (1), Awakening (2), and Kir’Shara (3), and again with Babel One (1), United (2), and The Aenar (3); then twice with two-parters: Affliction (1), Divergence (2), and Demons (1), and Terra Prime (2).

 

[BillJ]

But i'm sure you would probably have overlooked this had it been a series you enjoyed.

More than likely not. I've always been quite critical of Star Trek, especially TOS which is my favorite TV show ever.

 

[DigificWriter]

Part two is coming next. It just has a different name. Far from the first time we’ve seen this in Star Trek. Enterprise actually did a three episode group with different names: Borderlands (1), Cold Station 12 (2), and The Augnents (3), then again with The Forge (1), Awakening (2), and Kir’Shara (3), and again with Babel One (1), United (2), and The Aenar (3); then twice with two-parters: Affliction (1), Divergence (2), and Demons (1), and Terra Prime (2).

That' isn't what's happening here.

The episode's title is "That Hope is You, Part 1" (emphasis mine), not "That Hope is You". The phrase 'Part 1' being in the title isn't a mistake, it's not an oversight, and it's not a result of titles being changed at the last minute.

There will eventually be an episode explicitly titled "That Hope is You, Part 2" coming at some point in DSC's future, but it's not going to be this season.

 

[valkyrie013]

The main andorian in the episode had a whole bunch of facial appliances on his face, And I still don't like the new Tellerite makeup, In my opinion, Enterprise done it right with Andorians and Tellerites..