Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x01 - "That Hope Is You, Part 1"

[Jadeb]

They seem pretty useless at the moment. At the very least the spore dive is a big win for them. They can't warp but they now have a ship that can go anywhere, even to alternate universes.


Either they can't or they aren't official starfleet officers also. I dunno. He's pretty strict on regulations.

I'd have found it more believable if the dude had been all about the spore drive -- Where's it at? We need that tech! -- but even then, they have time-travel technology that they're *choosing not to use.* To twiddle your thumbs for 40 years in the vague hope that someone in the distant past will use the same technology you have and show up at your doorstep seems pretty pathetic.

 

[Yistaan]

So I assume a bunch of Starfleet officers took some phaser rifles and vaporized the Guardian of Forever in the 31st century?

 

[rhllot]

There were many in Italy and France in the 600s who still believed they were living in the Roman Empire even though the western empire had been gone since 476. They still spoke Latin, used Roman money and had local Roman governments. Seems like that’s where they’re going with the 32nd century Federation. I’ll bet not all parts of the galaxy are like the one Burnham is in now. I did not catch where exactly she is in the ep. did anyone else?

Until today many people keep the religion of the Romans (Christianity)

 

[fireproof78]

the answer is that the Soviet Union died. This idea of recreating the federation is something impossible to achieve if we are to go the realistic path the best they can achieve is to create a successor state.

Hmm, I think that's the question. I don't go to Trek for fully realistic.

I'd have found it more believable if the dude had been all about the spore drive -- Where's it at? We need that tech! -- but even then, they have time-travel technology that they're *choosing not to use.* To twiddle your thumbs for 40 years in the vague hope that someone in the distant past will use the same technology you have and show up at your doorstep seems pretty pathetic.

Sounds more religious than anything else.

Until today many people keep the religion of the Romans (Christianity)

Depends on the branch. Many in Rome considered it to be a Jewish sect.

 

[Lord Garth]

Regarding the whole killing people like it's a videogame: I think that's a fair point. It is.

But, at the same time, when I look at those weapons, all I can think of is the Megabuster from Mega Man 4. So, it kind of does look like a videogame. I'm not defending that, but those weapons do put me in the mindset of "this is a videogame!" a little.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

I love the new splat!-guns.

 

[rhllot]

That's true. Only being 100 years removed from being a major power, and having not disappeared entirely makes it more reasonable to try and rebuild from the ashes than if it had been conquered/collapsed 500 years ago. It depends on what vestiges are actually left. There may be more left than we realize if the characters are currently in some backwater and cut off from the historic central areas of the Federation.

All in all, the 'fanaticism' aspect is mostly a nitpick from me. Rebuilding the Federation or some other similarly principled organization sounds like an interesting season to me. I mostly hope that they just pick one or two major themes and explore them fully and do some world-building. If they do that, I'll be happy.

the soviet union existed until very recently!
also very probably soon we will see that UK dies because there are people who want to create their own independent state and others want to join another state

 

[Saul]

I'd have found it more believable if the dude had been all about the spore drive -- Where's it at? We need that tech! -- but even then, they have time-travel technology that they're *choosing not to use.* To twiddle your thumbs for 40 years in the vague hope that someone in the distant past will use the same technology you have and show up at your doorstep seems pretty pathetic.

About as pathetic as what he was doing now. He pretty much wasted his life there alone. For what? Monitor 2 Federation starships?

 

[rhllot]

Hmm, I think that's the question. I don't go to Trek for fully realistic.

Sounds more religious than anything else.

Depends on the branch. Many in Rome considered it to be a Jewish sect.

until an emperor made it state religion

 

[fireproof78]

until an emperor made it state religion

Even then you still have branches, such as the Orthodox and the Coptics. It wasn't Roman originally is more my point.

 

[Jadeb]

Regarding the whole killing people like it's a videogame: I think that's a fair point. It is.

But, at the same time, when I look at those weapons, all I can think of is the Megabuster from Mega Man 4. So, it kind of does look like a videogame. I'm not defending that, but those weapons do put me in the mindset of "this is a videogame!" a little.

That's what I don't like about it. It's really easy to look at it that way. I'm not a pearl-clutcher about videogame violence, but I don't like it infecting Star Trek.

 

[Lord Garth]

That's what I don't like about it. It's really easy to look at it that way. I'm not a pearl-clutcher about videogame violence, but I don't like it infecting Star Trek.

Well, yeah, I'm acknowledging this is a bit of a problem.

 

[Yistaan]

About as pathetic as what he was doing now. He pretty much wasted his life there alone. For what? Monitor 2 Federation starships?

It's nowhere near as bad as Bele and Lokai fighting each other for 50,000 years (yeah they even specified it was 50,000 Earth years in "Let that be your last Battlefield")

That's what I don't like about it. It's really easy to look at it that way. I'm not a pearl-clutcher about videogame violence, but I don't like it infecting Star Trek.

It's not just the videogame violence, it's dramatically detrimental to Burnham in-universe. Burnham is now a wanted accomplice to the murder of multiple Orion Syndicate security members and her only ally is a Federation that has no power. Not a good place for someone who just came from 1,000 years in the past. It would be very unrealistic if there weren't repercussions for her and Discovery over this.

 

[rhllot]

Hell, lots of individuals (Vulcans, Klingons, synthetic life, etc) are long-lived enough to actually remember the Federation before the fall.

many people in eastern europe must remember the soviet union before the fall, many in the valkans will remember yugoslavia, most likely we will remember a country called the united kingdom

 

[Yistaan]

Hell, lots of individuals (Vulcans, Klingons, synthetic life, etc) are long-lived enough to actually remember the Federation before the fall.

many people in eastern europe must remember the soviet union before the fall, many in the valkans will remember yugoslavia, most likely we will remember a country called the united kingdom

Almost all the characters in the 1977 Star Wars movie were acting like they'd never seen a Jedi or knew about the Old Republic and yet when the timeline came out it showed practically everyone in that film except Luke and Leia were old enough to take part in the old Republic and lived when Jedi were around, even Han.

 

[rhllot]

The guy waiting for 40 years stretched suspension of disbelief to the extreme. No wonder Book has a low opinion of Federationers. It's not even practical. The guy should have left a holorecording saying that he's not manning the station due to low use, and left his subspace communicator number if a Federationer actually shows up and wants his services (at which point he'll travel back to the station to help said Federationer).

I would also see them as a group of lunatics! mature man looking for a real job! book is more federationer than them.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'm hoping where they're going with this is: some of these planets have lost their way and Discovery is going to straighten them out. Show them what a stun setting is, instead of just using vaporize.

IRL, we have cops who are trained to shoot to kill. It's a problem here too, that needs to be corrected.

 

[Aragorn]

The guy waiting for 40 years was hoping Tricia Helfer would show up. Then the Federation second.

 

[fireproof78]

Almost all the characters in the 1977 Star Wars movie were acting like they'd never seen a Jedi or knew about the Old Republic and yet when the timeline came out it showed practically everyone in that film except Luke and Leia were old enough to take part in the old Republic and lived when Jedi were around, even Han.

Propaganda is a bitch.

 

[cooleddie74]

How many Corellian orphans growing up admist street crime and gangs ever met an actual Jedi or saw that the Force was an actual thing, though, and not just a rumor or legend? The Clone Wars were fought across the galaxy, yes, but there were also millions of Americans who grew up during World War II and never saw an atomic bomb or met an OSS agent.