Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[oberth]

The reason they didn't show the future that Discovery went to is because they don't want to establish anything now when they haven't fully thought out the season or even assembled the writing crew yet. You can already see some major constancy issues with the first episode of season 2 vs the last and the 7 signals as they only had a general outline of the season when it started.

They have to take the break to establish the setting and story they want to tell and don't want to get caught up on something that was shown at the end of season 2 that they rushed together and don't want to follow up on in season 3.

This happens a lot on Star Trek. They were going to kill off Harry Kim by section 8472 which is why he was in sickbay about to die in the season finale. Over the break between season Garrett Wang convinced the producers to give the character a second chance which is why they SADLY cured him in the first new episode of the next season.

i recon section 8472 is a lot worse than section 31

 

[Gonzo]

Ha ha. Species 8472 I mean. All these damn number names

That gave me a laugh.

 

[Noname Given]

I think its likely that the writers already know and have known for months. Filming starts only 60 days from now. Sets have to be constructed, VFX has to be prepared, Costumes need to be designed etc.

I thought they weren't going to begin filming until filming on the first Season of the Picard Series wrapped?

 

[Kemaiku]

I thought they weren't going to begin filming until filming on the first Season of the Picard Series wrapped?

Picard started filming this week, DSC season 3 starts again in July according to Anson (filming/principle photography I mean).

 

[Discofan]

The reason they didn't show the future that Discovery went to is because they don't want to establish anything now when they haven't fully thought out the season or even assembled the writing crew yet. You can already see some major constancy issues with the first episode of season 2 vs the last and the 7 signals as they only had a general outline of the season when it started.

They have to take the break to establish the setting and story they want to tell and don't want to get caught up on something that was shown at the end of season 2 that they rushed together and don't want to follow up on in season 3.

This happens a lot on Star Trek. They were going to kill off Harry Kim by section 8472 which is why he was in sickbay about to die in the season finale. Over the break between season Garrett Wang convinced the producers to give the character a second chance which is why they SADLY cured him in the first new episode of the next season.

I think it was a similar deal with Picard when he was taken by the Borg, there was a possibility that he wouldn't have survived.

 

[Discofan]

Yes exactly. As of a month ago almost NONE of the production / writing crew had been officially called back for season 3. I know some have already moved to other shows.

You mean there's a possibility that the show could be canceled?

 

[Kemaiku]

You mean there's a possibility that the show could be canceled?

I think he means that the 60-90 day downtime rumour is correct. If season 3 doesn't even start any production until into July like Anson said a week or two ago, that would be over 60 days from now, or 2-3 months to let Picard have all the attention.

 

[Noname Given]

Picard started filming this week, DSC season 3 starts again in July according to Anson (filming/principle photography I mean).

Wow, they're really starting to crank stuff out - didn't think CBS had a large amount of available studio/soundstage space in Canada.

 

[Mr. Nova]

First scene in season 3:
A close up of a broom, Pull out to reveal the spore chamber, and Dicovery's janitor nonchalantly sweeping up nanoprobes. (You wouldn't want to use Reno's floating Roombas for fear they would infected by leftove Leland bits.) The Janitor pauses, takes off his cap to wipe his forehead, turns toward the camera to reveal...Leland 2.0.

 

[Alan Roi]

Wow, they're really starting to crank stuff out - didn't think CBS had a large amount of available studio/soundstage space in Canada.

The Picard show is filming in LA. However, they are building more studio space in Mississauga, I'm assuming for the Section 31 show Which will probably start filming there once filming wraps for Disco 3.

 

[Alan Roi]

I think they are also expanding the Toronto location as Star Trek took up much of the space. For those who don't live here Missisauga is the neighbouring town about 30 min away.

Town? It's a city over 700,000 people. Although it was a bit smaller in the days when I lived there (70s-80s).

 

[Alan Roi]

Lol well us Toronto people of 5 million consider it a medium size suburb that nobody wants to travel to.

Come on, at least its not Brampton, or Ajax. Still a step above Scarberia in my books.

 

[Alan Roi]

That's not saying much

But a bit of a scoop... Picard was supposed to be filmed in Missisauga but Patrick didn't want to leave LA so they changed it. Bad part is the show would have been grander with bigger badder sets if filmed up here as they have more space and the money goes A LOT further. Hence why discovery sets are all so big and elaborate.

Well, he is pushing 80 so probably likes his comforts. LA isn't really much of an improvement over T.O. IMO. My experience of Anaheim, for example, that it was basically Scarborough with palm trees. But hey, they can get Section 31 may be able to start up faster with not having to wait for Sir Pat to wrap up.

 

[Ravenswood]

Yes exactly. As of a month ago almost NONE of the production / writing crew had been officially called back for season 3. I know some have already moved to other shows.

You mean there's a possibility that the show could be canceled?

None at all. It’s been renewed. The thing is “the show” and the people that make it aren’t one in the same.

I think he means that the 60-90 day downtime rumour is correct. If season 3 doesn't even start any production until into July like Anson said a week or two ago, that would be over 60 days from now, or 2-3 months to let Picard have all the attention.

Correct. Technically many people haven’t been “employed” by the show for months now. It’s not a 9-5 full time job. Many of the set designers are hired on a contact basis by either by job (design sets x,y,z) or for the filming period.

The writers are JUST getting together now for outlines. Shortly after they will hire set designers, builders to prep sets for early season 3. After that they trickle in production staff and finally actors and film crew.

It’s much like school when you got summer break off

0.0647989g NaCl is highly recommended.

 

[Alan Roi]

Well Toronto is for sure an improvement in soundstage size and production costs. Shame.

Well, California does have pretty big tax breaks. Still, I expect his show to look leaps and bounds better than the Orville even if it costs the same.

 

[Harpsichord]

Well, California does have pretty big tax breaks. Still, I expect his show to look leaps and bounds better than the Orville even if it costs the same.

According to the CFC season 2 of Orville was about 5m per episode and Picard is going to be 7.5m so I expect it to look minimum 50% better! That's how this works, right?

Also, not to read too much into things I don't fully understand, but Orville season 3 is no longer on the list of approved projects under the tax credit program

 

[Delta Vega]

Or...she couldn't drop the door, and they beam her out?

It's the same situation with Spock...IF he really wanted to go with Discovery, the ship could have also easily beamed him aboard like Pike actually did aboard the 1701. Hell, they even make a point of stating the Discovery's shields are down pretty much up to the point it enters the Wormhole.

I agree with the beaming option . . . .
But maybe it was too big a risk to beam anyone or thing in that area with that torpedo already primed ?
Maybe the transport signature could ignite the torpedo ?

 

[Ravenswood]

I agree with the beaming option . . . .
But maybe it was too big a risk to beam anyone or thing in that area with that torpedo already primed ?
Maybe the transport signature could ignite the torpedo ?

Or maybe they froze. Or didn't think in the heat of the moment. It happens in real life.

 

[Delta Vega]

Or maybe they froze. Or didn't think in the heat of the moment. It happens in real life.

Good answer

 

[Alan Roi]

According to the CFC season 2 of Orville was about 5m per episode and Picard is going to be 7.5m so I expect it to look minimum 50% better! That's how this works, right?

Also, not to read too much into things I don't fully understand, but Orville season 3 is no longer on the list of approved projects under the tax credit program

Hmmm. I read somewhere that The Orville cost 7 mil a pop. Maybe that was season 1? Still. off the approved project tax break list? Curious, but not unexpected.

Well, I also expect that the goal will not be to make the Picard show look like it was made 30 years ago, and that the Creator, showrunner, head writer, star, casting director and chief bottle and cook washer isn't sliding a good chunk of the budget into his singular bank account.