Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Alan Roi]

Yes.

They asked me for my opinion, I gave it. I think it's important to be critical and not blindly accept faults even with things you enjoy. People need to realise you can like something, but also think 'you know what, that was shit and it was a bad creative decision'. At least in my view. However Your Mileage May Vary.



I don't find your reasoning in this instance sound, at all. I think you're grabbing at straws to defend a weak plot point and refusing to criticise it because of your aforementioned distate to do such things because apparently everyone else does it. Like I said in the very thread, I enjoyed the episode immensely, but the torpedo scene was a bugbear for me this episode. It's an example of what discovery does badly and that is sometimes ignore logic for coolness. The Enterprise spewing 200 fighters out of its butt would be another.

Fine. We agree to disagree.

 

[Mage]

Yet you then go on to be critical of the episode. Did you ever think there are many people here who aren't "haters" but are just being critical like you are?

Judging from way to many years on this forum? No. :P

 

[Jadeb]

I will defend that part - the point of that scene is that his fate isn't set in stone because of mystical properties of the time crystal, but as many here already speculated, because of the man he is. He knew it was stupid to sacrifice himself rather than command his ship, and Cornwell reminded him of that in her own way. Yes he has seen a different ending for himself, but that doesn't make him invincible, it just predicts his choices. Correctly, as it turns out. I quite liked that scene.

As often with Discovery, I liked what they were trying to do but thought they botched it terribly. If he's really that type of man, why does he leave Cornwell to die? And why is it more important that he live than her, other than the fact canon needs him to? That plays into an unfortunate sexist trope, doesn't it?

Her logic doesn't make a lick of sense to me. If she's worried about future events, why would a captain have more potential influence than an admiral? She almost genocided the Klingons, after all. How many people would have died had she not been there to abruptly abandon her ill-considered plan?

Of course, this is on a ship where everybody is eager to leave behind everyone and everything they know and love, even though there's absolutely no need to.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

got no prob with this post - a single yes, however ...

I spent my saturday night arguing with people about a blast door in a science fiction series, give me a break

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

And why the rocks? Why is it when walls or consoles explode there's always rocks everywhere?

 

[BillJ]

As often with Discovery, I liked what they were trying to do but thought they botched it terribly.

Probably the best description of the show I have ever heard.

 

[oberth]

Once again I feel the need to point out that there were multiple blast doors in the area of the torpedo. It's in the dialogue. Only one didn't come down to protect the ship as ordered remotely. That's why Cornwell and Number One had to go down there to try to fix the problem. If the last door was closed and did its job, the damage would be mitigated. That's what they said. It was the whole PLOT POINT. They took some dramatic license in allowing Pike to be right there and be able to see the explosion, absolutely. But it wasn't just one door.

1. go in
2. use the lever
3. beam whoever is in there out
4. case closed

stupid way to risk the xo and the skipper and lose an admiral

 

[Alan Roi]

Of course, this is on a ship where everybody is eager to leave behind everyone and everything they know and love, even though there's absolutely no need to.

This is on a ship where everyone is not eager to leave behind the home they have served on the last two years, nor the people they have served with. Goes to the character of the crew which Loyalty-first Captain Lorca put together, IMHO.

 

[Alan Roi]

And why the rocks? Why is it when walls or consoles explode there's always rocks everywhere?

Probably made from graphene-based composite materials. When they shatter its not the way metals create shards.

 

[Alan Roi]

1. go in
2. use the lever
3. beam whoever is in there out
4. case closed

stupid way to risk the xo and the skipper and lose an admiral

Why did they have to walk down there, then? Wouldn't have transporters been faster? I think in that lies the answer, IMO. Yes, Discovery often doesn't spell everything out like many want it to. IMO, this is a feature, not a bug

 

[oberth]

This is on a ship where everyone is not eager to leave behind the home they have served on the last two years, nor the people they have served with. Goes to the character of the crew which Loyalty-first Captain Lorca put together, IMHO.

is it really necessary to compare poor gabriel to the dude in the white house?

 

[Agony_Boothb]

And why the rocks? Why is it when walls or consoles explode there's always rocks everywhere?

They weren't rocks but Tribbles that Lorca had hidden in the jefferies tubes.

 

[Alan Roi]

is it really necessary to compare poor gabriel to the dude in the white house?

I'm just comparing him to himself.

 

[BillJ]

Yes, Discovery often doesn't spell everything out like many want it to. IMO, this is a feature, not a bug

There are times you do have to spell it out. Because the transporter is essentially magic, and if you are going to lose someone, you want the most obvious point of exit not being used addressed.

And it would've taken maybe a sentence, in an episode that was already overly bloated.

 

[Tosk]

1. go in
2. use the lever
3. beam whoever is in there out
4. case closed

stupid way to risk the xo and the skipper and lose an admiral

Heck, the door closed slowly enough you could almost pull the lever and still jump out in time. Or if not, tie something to the lever and pull it from the other side. It was a pretty rough version of a scene we've seen done better before.

 

[Alan Roi]

There are times you do have to spell it out. Because the transporter is essentially magic, and if you are going to lose someone, you want the most obvious point of exit not being used addressed.

And it would've taken maybe a sentence, in an episode that was already overly bloated.

They did not have to spell it out for me, so I guess I might be their intended audience. Luckily for them I bought ten thousand subscriptions to CBSAA.

 

[Tim Thomason]

is it really necessary to compare poor gabriel to the dude in the white house?

Incidentally, one of my favorite films of all time.

 

[Jadeb]

It was a pretty rough version of a scene we've seen done better before.

A common problem for the show, IMO.

 

[GNDN18]

I thought the time jumps were cool. Then I remembered they said they only had enough power for one jump. Whoops.

Maybe. But consider that those unplanned jumps were all within a year or so of each other. Perhaps breaking the time continuum by a millennium requires exponentially more power than the local jumps.

 

[oberth]

Heck, the door closed slowly enough you could almost pull the lever and still jump out in time. Or if not, tie something to the lever and pull it from the other side. It was a pretty rough version of a scene we've seen done better before.

yep it was kinda slow for an emergeny thingy - and whoever designed it needs to be shot 'cause that lever being on the spaceward side makes no sense whatsoever - do they need to protect whoever is in that compartment when the rest of the ship disintegrates?