Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Guest12]

See my metaphor above. Might help make sense.

Alright, it seems as good an explanation as any.

The only other part of the finale that was deeply unsatisfying was the "no one ever speaks of Discovery or her crew or et al" again. I get that we're pretending Disco was destroyed in case Control ever resurfaces but ... The logistics of just erasing a ship, it's mode of transport, it's crew. So just everyone on that ship's family all agree to pretend their children/spouses/etc ever existed. Or was it just Michael who "never existed"? The guy who made the spore drive just has a giant hole on his resume now? The infamous woman who started the Klingon War, oh by the way, she didn't exist?

 

[Alan Roi]

Here is another critique....how does Ash become director of Section 31 in 124 days?

I know we are not supposed to post story ideas but:

"Tales From the Ash Heap".....How a half Klingon became the head of the black ops.

Sigh.

All his superiors in the division are dead and he's the most senior office whose left who knows the passwords. Plus he appears to be able to get the Klingons to do whatever he wants them to. Sounds like an asset to me.

 

[Alan Roi]

Alright, it seems as good an explanation as any.

The only other part of the finale that was deeply unsatisfying was the "no one ever speaks of Discovery or her crew or et al" again. I get that we're pretending Disco was destroyed in case Control ever resurfaces but ... The logistics of just erasing a ship, it's mode of transport, it's crew. So just everyone on that ship's family all agree to pretend their children/spouses/etc ever existed. Or was it just Michael who "never existed"? The guy who made the spore drive just has a giant hole on his resume now? The infamous woman who started the Klingon War, oh by the way, she didn't exist?

Information can become judged classified after the fact. it may not eliminate all talk immediately but such talk will fade in time where it comes to a military organization. But we just have Spock's recommendation. We don't know how much of that recommendation is implemented.

 

[Tosk]

The beheaded traitor openly on board the Klingon ship...I guess L'Rell swore all the other Klingons to secrecy about him.

 

[EJD1984]

Just to go on the record - This episode could be seen as a perfect ending for Discovery, and as a jump-off for a Pike series.

 

[Pauln6]

All his superiors in the division are dead and he's the most senior office whose left who knows the passwords. Plus he appears to be able to get the Klingons to do whatever he wants them to.

I'm assuming his close relationship with L'Rell is what leads Klingons to ban women from becoming Chancellor (unless acting as a temporary proxy for a deceased male relative).

 

[seigezunt]

While my feelings are a little tempered by the Season Three news from the Kurtzman interview, I still feel that this was possibly the finest hour+ of Trek I've seen in a very long time.

While it still had some of the characteristically Discovery-style plot holes, it was incredibly satisfying, and there was a lot of cheering and laughter in the room where I viewed it.

As a TOS fan, it was so great to see the Enterprise in an exciting battle, the likes of which (outside of the JJverse) we've never seen. The younger me, who had to be content with imagination where the medium was limited, exulted in this battle sequence.

I was going to catalogue all the great moments, but, really, I loved most of it. I would pay to see this in the theater.

I know it's a long shot, but I do hope they really consider doing a Pike show. And if the Discovery is indeed gone from the 23rd Century for good, it would be more plausible, if the producers are considering an MCU style family of shows.

I did a happy dance that there was no Borg reveal.

I was also very happy that when they set about to do a (unnecessary, but, hey, I guess they have to grease the squeaky wheel) the reset, it wasn't a reset that actually undid any of the events of the past two seasons. If they had somehow unmade Burnham, the Klingon War, and the spore drive, that would have been a cheap and infuriating fix for something that did not really need to be fixed.

 

[Alan Roi]

The beheaded traitor openly on board the Klingon ship...I guess L'Rell swore all the other Klingons to secrecy about him.

Or in the intervening time she's had anyone who will complain about him beheaded.

 

[XCV330]

Or in the intervening time she's had anyone who will complain about him beheaded.

My suspicion is that the L'Rell regime doesn't last all that long and by the time Kirk gets his captain's stripe, the new Klingon administration has gone full blown cold-war on the Fed, or at least L'Rell's moved in that direction to stay in power.

 

[StarMan]

First off, damn you Discovery for getting my hopes up with "If Memory Serves".

So the "let's never mention Discovery or Burnham again" ties canon/continuity up in a neat bow... how? Sorry, but it was far from convincing.

Cornwell: "You're story doesn't end here, Chris"... has she watched "The Menagerie"? FFS.

Another FFS: I wonder how many people bit the dust while Burnham and Spock had a natter. Also nice that Burnham pointed Spock in the direction of Kirk.

Pity this series seems incapable of a decent capital ship-dominated space battle. Gotta throw several hundred fighters in for dynamic effect while they just sit there.

And what a unsatisfying ending. Putting aside Spock's horrific sideburns, did the writers forget the series is Discovery? The way the episode ended you'd be forgiven for thinking Discovery was gone for good and we're now following the adventures of Captain Pike.

I suspect the ending will be a matter of taste, but after Discovery went thru I expected Spock to wrap up is log and finish with a brief... something, from Discovery's POV. I think the obvious answer is they've flung them into a continuity-free zone and don't know what's next - which is fine by me. I'd love to know what the plan was for Discovery before Fuller had a tissy and the S2 dramas behind the scenes.

Here's hoping Season 3 of Discovery is what Season 3 was to TNG.

 

[ScottJ85]

Well that was extremely cool, and also good.

 

[eschaton]

I don't think it will another Control arc, people could quickly get sick of it. I think they'll find something else.

Kurtzman outright said in the interview posted immediately after the episode ended Control is done.

 

[Alan Roi]

Cornwell: "You're story doesn't end here, Chris"... has she watched "The Menagerie"? FFS.

He's obviously told her of his vision.

 

[Tosk]

I'm not so sure we're supposed to take that so literally. "Your story doesn't end here" is the kind of thing characters like these tend to say rather than just "You've got more life to live."

 

[XCV330]

First off, damn you Discovery for getting my hopes up with "If Memory Serves".

So the "let's never mention Discovery or Burnham again" ties canon/continuity up in a neat bow... how? Sorry, but it was far from convincing.

Cornwell: "You're story doesn't end here, Chris"... has she watched "The Menagerie"? FFS.

Another FFS: I wonder how many people bit the dust while Burnham and Spock had a natter. Also nice that Burnham pointed Spock in the direction of Kirk.

Pity this series seems incapable of a decent capital ship-dominated space battle. Gotta throw several hundred fighters in for dynamic effect while they just sit there.

And what a terrible ending. Putting aside Spock's horrific sideburns, did the writers forget the series is Discovery? The way the episode ended you'd be forgiven for thinking Discovery was gone for good and we're now following the adventures of Captain Pike.

Here's hoping Season 3 of Discovery is what Season 3 was to TNG.

I would imagine that the Anti-Burnham crowds would be rejoicing at her being dissapeared from history, but apparently if she isn't dropped slowly in lava, it won't be enough.

The battle reminded me of an EVE Online battle. A few capital ships trying to DPS each other's shield's down while small ships work as tacklers and skirmishers keeping each side from out manouvering. The battle becomes a matter of math. Once the allies show up, DPS advantage fell from Control side and their tank started to fail. I thought it was the best handled battle they've done. Far better than that napoleonic war stuff at Binary Stars. Light Years better than anything Star was has done besides Yavin, Endor, or Rogue One.

And I'm glad they did give a nice few end scenes to Enterprise and company. Discovery had their tale and they will get more. We may not see the Enterprise and her crew for a long time.

 

[StarMan]

He's obviously told her of his vision.

You're right. Thinking back over that scene .. yes. My bad.

 

[eschaton]

That story point I didn’t get either. Control wasn‘t from the future, was it? It was just the regular 23rd century threat assessment AI from Section 31 gone rogue, which, with the help of the sphere data, could have evolved into the threat that destroyed all life in the future. The one where Burnmum lives.

I took the main antagonist to be FutureControl. It was trying to use time travel to bootstrap its evolution. Perhaps it always succeeded in the past because it came into being through a closed time loop.

 

[XCV330]

I took the main antagonist to be FutureControl. It was trying to use time travel to bootstrap its evolution. Perhaps it always succeeded in the past because it came into being through a closed time loop.

Thanks. my brain hurts now.

 

[eschaton]

Seems like the entire season was about seeing Spock in science blue at his station on the Enterprise.

And finding an excuse for why Michael & co can't stay in the 23rd century.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Here is another critique....how does Ash become director of Section 31 in 124 days?

By being the only surviving member of section 31 that isn't currently displaced by time,