Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x14 - "Such Sweet Sorrow, Part 2"

[Alan Roi]

In a free society, secrets do not stay hidden for long. They are gradually revealed.

I was underwhelmed by this episode.

I was amazed by how strong these two ships were, considering how quickly Starfleet ships went down in the past. How long did it take for the Kelvin universe Enterprise to fall victim to the swam ships? How long did it take for the Melbourne to become disabled after losing nearly half of her saucer to a Borg attack?

Who said the Federation is a "free" society? There's a whole lot of terrifying technology around that is capable of destroying whole worlds. Based on every single series secrets in the federation do stay hidden, and often for a very long time. As for how tough they are, that depends on the tech of what they are up against. Here we see Starfleet vessels vs. Starfleet vessels which they are designed to last against not the freaking Borg which are much more advanced as an example.

 

[cooleddie74]

Seems like the entire season was about seeing Spock in science blue at his station on the Enterprise.

I got more excited seeing the perfect recreation of the "eye whorl" at his science station than I was his blue uniform.

 

[Guest12]

Can someone also explain how "seven signals have appeared" in the premiere, but they apparently don't know where? Or they appear then disappear until a later date at which point Michael uses them to lure Discovery to critical points? So did she make further jumps to just give them a taste of what was coming later? I'm honestly trying to figure out a way this makes sense. I like so much about the show and want to find a way any of this adds up to a coherent narrative.

 

[Jadeb]

*yawn*
I’m getting really tired of read that “the writers have no idea what their doing” and “they have no plan for the show”

I think you're probably right, but I suspect many critics -- myself included, I guess -- want to cling to that belief in the hope it will get better. It's much easier to blame behind-the-scenes turmoil than accept this is what the show is and probably will be.

 

[Alan Roi]

Seems like the entire season was about seeing Spock in science blue at his station on the Enterprise.

I suppose if that's your thing. I saw that as an epilogue, not the final chapter.

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I'm still not caught up with the thread, yet. About half way through. I really wanted to give this a higher score than some, but U could only give it a 6. That's mostly on instinct, if I was basing that on plot it would be lower, of I was basing it on performances it would be lower. I think it was only really the bits of fanwank and some of the conclusions that saved it. Lots of nice shots of the Enterprise, which I've loved since it first showed up at the end of series one.

What else can they really do? 13 episodes on Risa will get dull pretty quick.

It really depends on how many Horgohns you have. If all you're going to do is lay around in your speedos reading shakespeare like picard did, yeah things would go downhill fast

I was going to say it depends on how graphic it is

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Kind of how Archer and his senior officers testified to flag officers at Starfleet Command about the mission into the Delphic Expanse and search for the Xindi superweapon and then had those details classified and buried.

As far as the 24th century is concerned archer and co spent a year just hanging on risa putting horghons in a glass bowl and trading them....

 

[XCV330]

It's tough to accept, but some people are saying "we don't know they won't be back...." I think it's pretty clear they won't based on the "cone of silence" that was made a huge plot point here.

Although, if there is a hope, maybe THAT's the Calypso tie-in. The crew makes it back, perhaps for the series finale, and leaves the ship behind.

If Star Trek is about Boldly Going, there's a ship that really just did it

 

[cultcross]

Can someone also explain how "seven signals have appeared" in the premiere, but they apparently don't know where? Or they appear then disappear until a later date at which point Michael uses them to lure Discovery to critical points

The latter, but it isn't clear why they didn't know where all 7 were going to be, or how the original appearance of 7 was achieved.

 

[cooleddie74]

History clearly recorded that Archer and his Enterprise saved Earth from the Xindi. The details of what happened inside the Expanse, though, may be classified even in the Picard Era and a debate amongst historians.

 

[saddestmoon]

That ep gets a well-deserved 10 from me! absolutely loved it!

C’mon CBS - make a Pike spinoff / Enterprise series so!

 

[Alan Roi]

Can someone also explain how "seven signals have appeared" in the premiere, but they apparently don't know where? Or they appear then disappear until a later date at which point Michael uses them to lure Discovery to critical points? So did she make further jumps to just give them a taste of what was coming later? I'm honestly trying to figure out a way this makes sense. I like so much about the show and want to find a way any of this adds up to a coherent narrative.

I suppose its like your on a boat moving across the water of an ocean moving forwards in time, and the ocean is time itself. If something is dropped in the water ahead of you, the ripples from its impact reach you first, but you won't know where those ripples are coming from until you reach where the object has been dropped into what used to be the future, but will ultimately be the present from your perspective.

 

[Roald]

Can someone also explain how "seven signals have appeared" in the premiere, but they apparently don't know where? Or they appear then disappear until a later date at which point Michael uses them to lure Discovery to critical points? So did she make further jumps to just give them a taste of what was coming later? I'm honestly trying to figure out a way this makes sense. I like so much about the show and want to find a way any of this adds up to a coherent narrative.

Actually I’d like someone explain that too.. especially since the locations of the signals seemed so important in Brother, with Michael discovering them in Spock’s drawing device... My guess is that the initial bursts couldn’t be located specifically, but appeared near where they would ultimately (re)appear..?

 

[Alan Roi]

I think you're probably right, but I suspect many critics -- myself included, I guess -- want to cling to that belief in the hope it will get better. It's much easier to blame behind-the-scenes turmoil than accept this is what the show is and probably will be.

I find it a lot more enjoyable connecting the dots and filling in gaps than throwing what I'm looking at against the wall in disgust, but YMMV.

 

[Alan Roi]

Actually I’d like someone explain that too.. especially since the locations of the signals seemed so important in Brother, with Michael discovering them in Spock’s drawing device... My guess is that the initial bursts couldn’t be located specifically, but appeared near where they would ultimately (re)appear..?

See my metaphor above. Might help make sense.

 

[Roald]

See my metaphor above. Might help make sense.

Good metaphor indeed

 

[Pauln6]

5. Its described as a blast door. It's designed to block blasts.

But what about the walls and ceilings? A massive chunk of the ship blew out. If the walls and ceilings were resistant too , only the insides of the ship should have been destroyed but if it's that tough, how did the unexploded torpedo breach the hull in the first place?

Far safer would have been to seal off the whole section with emergency bulkheads, reinforce internal walls with force fields and leave the external parts exposed to funnel the energy out. Nobody had to be inside the room; just seal off the next section.

 

[Jbarney]

Here is another critique....how does Ash become director of Section 31 in 124 days?

I know we are not supposed to post story ideas but:

"Tales From the Ash Heap".....How a half Klingon became the head of the black ops.

Sigh.

 

[BillJ]

I find it a lot more enjoyable connecting the dots and filling in gaps than throwing what I'm looking at against the wall in disgust, but YMMV.

We're Trekkies, we can do both.

 

[cooleddie74]

As least his identity as Voq will be kept secret. I hope.