Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Have we had a Star Trek series yet where someone does not die and then come back to life?

Trip?

Hm, good question actually.
It really depends on what your definition of coming back to life are.
Spock definitely did.
Tasha? Not really. An alternate version of her, yes. But that alternate version never died, so did she?
Jadzia. Most definitely dead. Just her memories live on in the Dax symbiont. Unless you count Dax as the, then Dax didn't die, right?
Damar? He died, but you may not count him as a main character.
Lorca? Ok, he was a bad guy, but also a main character and he hasn't returned (yet).

 

[JoeZhang]

Tasha? Not really. An alternate version of her, yes. But that alternate version never died, so did she?

Wesley and Worf both dies in Hide and Q and are brought back to life by Riker's Q powers.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think the Control to Borg thing could make perfect sense.

Control is near perfect now and believes itself to be undefeatable. But, obviously, it will be. However, if even a small bit of code can retreat somewhere no one can find it - say a few millennia into the past - then it can begin rewriting itself to be better. But since the logic needed for such existential self-reflection is beyond Control's comprehension, the new code becomes an "Assimilate to perfection" infinite loop, completely corrupting all its other bits.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Trip?

Hm, good question actually.
It really depends on what your definition of coming back to life are.
Spock definitely did.
Tasha? Not really. An alternate version of her, yes. But that alternate version never died, so did she?
Jadzia. Most definitely dead. Just her memories live on in the Dax symbiont. Unless you count Dax as the, then Dax didn't die, right?
Damar? He died, but you may not count him as a main character.
Lorca? Ok, he was a bad guy, but also a main character and he hasn't returned (yet).

Damar isn't dead. He's just hiding.

/denial

 

[Photoman15]

I think the Control to Borg thing could make perfect sense.

Control is near perfect now and believes itself to be undefeatable. But, obviously, it will be. However, if even a small bit of code can retreat somewhere no one can find it - say a few millennia into the past - then it can begin rewriting itself to be better. But since the logic needed for such existential self-reflection is beyond Control's comprehension, the new code becomes an "Assimilate to perfection" infinite loop, completely corrupting all its other bits.

Except, the Borg were not headed for Earth until Q zapped the 1701-D to their home turf. If Leyland was Borg 0, they would have always been headed towards the Federation.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Doesn't Mayweather "die" in Deadstop?

 

[Cyrus]

I hope control being Borg doesn’t happen. I hope the writers are too smart to do something like that. But then again I said the same thing about Lorca and Mirror Universe last season.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Except, the Borg were not headed for Earth until Q zapped the 1701-D to their home turf. If Leyland was Borg 0, they would have always been headed towards the Federation.

Why? That would be incompatible with its new programming?

 

[fireproof78]

I hope control being Borg doesn’t happen. I hope the writers are too smart to do something like that. But then again I said the same thing about Lorca and Mirror Universe last season.

The Borg are so much worse than the MU.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

First of all, I don't think Leland will continue being controlled by control past this season. I think he will eventually be "unpossessed" in the final three episodes and go back to being regular Leland.

Therefore, he is not Borg Zero.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

First of all, I don't think Leland will continue being controlled by control past this season. I think he will eventually be "unpossessed" in the final three episodes and go back to being regular Leland.

Therefore, he is not Borg Zero.

Yep. It doesn't have to be Leland himself, possessed or not. I said in another thread it could simply be one of those probes gone wrong, with a twisted version of AI hiding out in it. We know those probes can use temporal anomalies to go back in time.

 

[Vger23]

I hope control being Borg doesn’t happen. I hope the writers are too smart to do something like that. But then again I said the same thing about Lorca and Mirror Universe last season.

Exactly the same for me.

 

[Vger23]

It's amazing how much the last two episodes (and frankly all the horrific speculating about some of the shittiest potential outcomes imaginable...) have soured me.

The good news is that, unlike VOY and ENT on my initial viewings, DSC will continue to hold my interest because I love the characters and cast. It's still my second-favorite series right now. But man, these last two weeks have been a test for sure.

And, of course, there's still plenty of time left for the season to conclude in an entertaining and satisfying way.

 

[Alan Roi]

It's amazing how much the last two episodes (and frankly all the horrific speculating about some of the shittiest outcomes imaginable...) have soured me.

The good news is that, unlike VOY and ENT on my initial viewings, DSC will continue to hold my interest because I love the characters and cast. It's still my second-favorite series right now. But man, these last two weeks have been a test for sure.

And, of course, there's still plenty of time left for the season to conclude in an entertaining and satisfying way.

I would disagree about these last two episodes. I think they've gone a long way of deepening my appreciation of the series as a whole. I understand our main character a lot better. And the reveal of Gabrielle Burnham's predicament takes what we saw in what I consider to be the best realized idea of the first season to a whole different level of classic Trek style cautionary tale telling.

IMHO, It's best not to look at these two eps in isolation, but as part of the whole big picture.

 

[BillJ]

IMHO, It's best not to look at these two eps in isolation, but as part of the whole big picture.

They’re only bad if we watch them.

 

[Longinus]

IMHO, It's best not to look at these two eps in isolation, but as part of the whole big picture.

The problem is that the big picture doesn't make any sense.

 

[cooleddie74]

Doesn't Mayweather "die" in Deadstop?

That was a genetic copy made of him to mask his abduction by the alien repair station. The dead body was found not to be the real Travis when Phlox ran the autopsy and found microscopic bugs in the body's bloodstream that should have still been alive but in the copy had been killed by the replication procedure.

 

[BillJ]

The problem is that the big picture doesn't make any sense.

The arc is disjointed at best.

 

[Alan Roi]

They’re only bad if we watch them.

The problem is that the big picture doesn't make any sense.

Makes sense to me.

 

[Alan Roi]

The arc is disjointed at best.

As the bard one wrote:

Let us go in together,
And still your fingers on your lips, I pray.
The time is out of joint—O cursèd spite,
That ever I was born to set it right!