That would require the writers to actually know some Star Trek lore for them to make that connection.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"
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That would require the writers to actually know some Star Trek lore for them to make that connection.
I think they’ve proven by now that they do...
I liked it. If this really is the origin of the Borg it's certainly not what I would have expected or wanted but I'd be lying if I said this whole Leland/Control plot isn't intriguing to me. If this is the Borg then that means the Federation is responsible for every atrocity ever carried out by them.
Georgiou remains my favourite character. Just give me her show already. I didn't really care about the Burnham and her mother stuff if I'm honest. I just can't get invested in Burnham.
Tyler can go. The character is worthless. A bad reminder of Season 1's most idiotic plot.
Thankfully very little Tilly this week. I loved when Saru cut her off. Just shut up, you idiot.
Georgiou remains my favourite character. Just give me her show already. I didn't really care about the Burnham and her mother stuff if I'm honest. I just can't get invested in Burnham.
Tyler can go. The character is worthless. A bad reminder of Season 1's most idiotic plot.
Thankfully very little Tilly this week. I loved when Saru cut her off. Just shut up, you idiot.
The whole "no matter what I do, time always pushes back and course-corrects" bit reminded me strongly of Stephen King's JFK novel.
Yeah, that's one hell of an idea! To me personally the whole Leland-control-story is not really intriguing to me and I'm also not really content with the Red Angel plot development. Yet, if they used it all to lead up to this, I think the story line would be redeemed in my opinion.
Same. I've loved this season and I've given most episodes a 7.I like that people have been saying this is the worst episode this season and still give it a 7. A 7 is what I give the episodes that I like.
That's actually some really good bit of conjecture there. Certainly the only plausible one even indirectly involving the Borg at this point.
I think that comparison is apt and highlights for me how weak the emotional core of this episode was. I still cannot watch The Visitor without crying and since having a son of my own it is only more powerful. This episode had a similar theme, loss of a parent at a young age who turns out to be trapped in the great technobabble beyond, and it had no emotional impact at all. I should have been a wreck when Burnham has to pull the trigger to give up her mother, saving her life but knowing she'll probably never see her again, separated by a millennium. Instead I'm like "God there's a lot of technobabble. That wormhole is proper cheesy"
It had an emotional impact for me. I found it heartbreaking in an old TOS sort of way. The Visitor has a happy ending, of course, and that makes a difference. It was written to be ultimately heartwarming. You get to feel good about everything you saw ultimately in The Visitor. And yes I cried at the end too.
This ep hearkens back to the days when Star Trek was about cautionary tales of technology, that the results were heartbreaking, a grasp at happiness which is torn away, Such as with What Little Girls are Made of, for instance.
Of course you aren't going to leave this ep with the same feeling. It doesn't even offer the same catharsis as the above ep I mentioned, so it is indeed harder to deal with. Being one who was raised on TOS, I appreciated this a lot. Again, I love the Visitor, but I'm not in need a warm snuggly hug every time I watch ST that eps like that provide.
I do enjoy it when it comes along, however, such as with Calypso.
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That's actually some really good bit of conjecture there. Certainly the only plausible one even indirectly involving the Borg at this point.
Thank you.
I have long held a belief that the incident we saw in regeneration had a bigger backstory. Those researchers must have extracted nanites and put them in some kind of storage for future study. They even had some under a microscope for crying out loud. So I believe that before things got crazy they must have shipped some off site for research and I bet it was a Section 31 research project that nabbed some of them, leaving the rest for Starfleet to study.
It isn't the happy ending that's the issue - in fact, I don't think The Visitor has that happy an ending. Sure, they save Ben, they kind of had to in order to have an episode the next week, but he remembers watching his son's life become about grief and obsession and tragedy in his absence, something which tied in to all the long build up of Sisko as a single parent. Sisko's embrace of Jake has so much subtext. It's quite bittersweet.
The issue here is the ending has no earned emotion to it at all. Burnhams parents have barely featured before so the whole relationship had to be sold in this one episode, which isn't by any means impossible - TOS used to do that and in fact Discovery has done it - but isn't done here. When they have exactly two conversations and in the first one Burnmom is standoffish, dismissive, and tells Burnham she's given up on hope, there's nothing to pay off later in conversation two where suddenly she pulls a complete 180. In the midst of a firefight we are supposed to be appreciating this "don't grieve admiral" type scene that is the payoff to a relationship we haven't seen. The actors tried, but it's completely cold. It would actually have been more impactive, I think, if Burnmom had kept to her original attitude and instead we'd watched Burnham having to come to terms with the fact that the mom she knew died a millennium hence from a thousand traumatic failures, and was replaced with this broken shell. Instead they decided to try for both in the space of forty-five minutes, and ended up landing neither.
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Must admit I generally ignore the angsty stuff as thats not what I watch Star Trek for, if I wanted that I would watch soap operas, hell would freeze over first of course.
Its a case of not having enough time to do what they want, perhaps it is another consequence of the changes that were made after Berg and Harberts left.
I much prefer it this way to how it would be if we had a full 20-24 episode season, I appreciate the lack of filler in this show, although perhaps they should make the episodes a bit longer but that could just be a matter of filming and editing constraints.
They will show Discovery on the TV eventually and it will make things easier for them if they do not need to do any editing to make them fit.
It does make some situations feel a bit rushed at times but I would rather have that than a filler grind, plus they do have a set budget for the season and after going over that last season perhaps they are trying to bring it under control and in doing so ensure they have the budget to do a big finale for the season.
Like we discussed earlier in the thread with a space battle between the S31 ship, Discovery and probably the Enterprise, destroying the S31 ship is the most straightforward way to deal with the AI but only if there is a way to confirm it did not spread itself to anywhere or anyone else.
Yeah. Not that it was enough to make this 'awesome' for me, but that clearly was the strongest part of this episode.
They have? That’s news to me.
Then you’re seeing what you (don’t?) want to see?
If they did they would know that you don’t launch torpedoes from the nacelles.Then you’re seeing what you (don’t?) want to see?
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