Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x11 - "Perpetual Infinity"

[F. King Daniel]

Also, this was the first time they ever said "prime universe". Until now it was just in the credits for Nimoy's Spock in ST'09.

 

[fireproof78]

Also, this was the first time they ever said "prime universe". Until now it was just in the credits for Nimoy's Spock in ST'09.

Let the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.

 

[DaveyNY]

Logically Enterprise-E should have ceased to exist, same as logically the NX-01 should have ceased to exist with the Nazi Vampire bullshit. But they didn't. Maybe the fact that Enterprise-E prevented the changes in the first place prevented a grandfather paradox.

As Janeway says "My advice on making sense of temporal paradoxes is simple: don't even try."

Plus by the very nature of having prequels is dealing with minor retcons.

Doesn't the fact that the E was caught in the BORG Sphere's energy trail give rise to an acceptable explanation?

 

[Tim Thomason]

Also, this was the first time they ever said "prime universe". Until now it was just in the credits for Nimoy's Spock in ST'09.

And just think, if he had been credited as "Old Spock", then this universe would be known as the Old Universe.

 

[Gonzo]

I'd say that's almost certain - there's been a lot of talk that they've built and filmed scenes in an Enterprise bridge, which would fit perfectly with a last minute save in battle.

Would be a great way to reintroduce the ship after the repairs and perhaps announce a Pike/Enterprise show at the same time.

It's the perfect opportunity.

Assuming the actors want to do it, I can't believe CBS would ignore such an obvious win unless aligning the show with ToS makes it impossible.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I think I'd prefer it if Leeland does turn to be the proto-Borg. Really, I'd prefer it if they had gone in a completely different direction, but here we are.

But to go down the road of having all these cues of "does this thing remind you of that other famous thing in the franchise" only to reach a completely different destination just to avoid any kind impropriety seems a bit silly.

 

[eschaton]

Would be a great way to reintroduce the ship after the repairs and perhaps announce a Pike/Enterprise show at the same time.

It's the perfect opportunity.

I'd also note that given after the end of the next episode they'll only have visited four out of seven red bursts, there is a way they can visit three in the final two-parter, which is to have both the Discovery and the Enterprise splitting up and investigating one each - then coming back together at the end.

Which once again would set up very, very well for a Pike/Enterprise show.

 

[Gonzo]

Have to watch it again a second time before offering an opinion. Hell of a lot going on, and the twist with the 7 lights at the end piqued my imagination. I've noticed that the coming attractions are good enough to almost wipe out the detailed memory of what you just watched and divert your mind to anticipating and figuring out what the heck is gonna happen next.

Yeah one of the most interesting points for me was when Michaels mom said that the red lights were not her doing.

Makes me think Michael will end up in the suit at some point or some other agency is helping.

 

[SG-17]

Doesn't the fact that the E was caught in the BORG Sphere's energy trail give rise to an acceptable explanation?

Thats the explanation they use in the film yes, but as we've seen there are no unified rules to time travel. There is no unified method of time travel.

We've seen changes take time to ripple through the timeline. We've seen changes be instant. We've seen individuals be aware of changes. If Braxton had destroyed Voyager then the events that led to his insanity wouldn't have happened and thus he wouldn't need to destroy Voyager. The Borg can communicate with themselves in different time frames. Maybe they were protected from any changes after assimilating Earth?

There is no point in trying to fit time travel into neat little canonical rule boxes. Its purely a plot device.


Now... if they wanted to make a 29th century show set on a timeship and wanted to define specific rules for that method of time travel I'd be happy with that.

 

[pst]

i'm mourning the simplicity of the earlier half of the season and the self contained stories that still advanced the arc.

this was a workmanlike episode and i was engaged the entire time. but i liked savoring the show more than sprinting to the finale, but that's where the story has progressed. we're in the home stretch and episodes are more about advancing the arc of the season than telling individual stories.

also (and this is stupid), i hated the burnhams' home. it looked like a leftover set from netflix's lost in space. star trek makes this mistake a lot, but sometimes a house can just be a house, even if it's located on a colony world. took me out of it a bit because i had previously imagined michael's pre-vulcan childhood as fairly normal. but she's basically always been a space woman.

 

[Gonzo]

I'd also note that given after the end of the next episode they'll only have visited four out of seven red bursts, there is a way they can visit three in the final two-parter, which is to have both the Discovery and the Enterprise splitting up and investigating one each - then coming back together at the end.

Which once again would set up very, very well for a Pike/Enterprise show.

I understand why CBS would have a wait and see attitude but now that Spock and Pike have been well received it seems like a no brainer to me.

It would also explain why we didn't see much from Number One as we will see plenty of her in the new show.

 

[saladdays]

The version of Control that "assimilated" Leland IS from the future. It used the wormhole from Mama Burnham's latest incursion to infiltrate the S31 ship computer. The "present" version of Control was destroyed earlier in the season.

Was this stated or seen somewhere specifically? I thought that Control was just modified by information gathered from the sphere. IOW, an upgraded version of itself, and not a total new program.

 

[Gepard]

Yeah one of the most interesting points for me was when Michaels mom said that the red lights were not her doing.

Makes me think Michael will end up in the suit at some point or some other agency is helping.

Or the red signals are Control. When Pike took a shuttle into one they immediately got attacked by that probe.

 

[saladdays]

None of what we are dealing with now is from the future, the future Control came back to try to help it's modern day self become fully sentient, but they stopped it when they spaced Ariam. The sphere data is also from the present, it is just all of the stuff that it experienced in the thousands or millions of years that it was around. Modern Control wants the data, because it can usually to finally become fully sentient.

Okay. That's more like what I thought.

 

[saladdays]

Doesn't the fact that the E was caught in the BORG Sphere's energy trail give rise to an acceptable explanation?

Yes, and that explanation is specifically stated in the film, as I recall.

 

[DaveyNY]

What if the Red Signals are not connected to anything we've seen so far and that becomes the aspect of some "higher being" also involved?
The Religion vs Science facet that has been mentioned.
As far as I can remember, before this time, Trek History has not encountered a God-Like Being.

 

[eschaton]

I'm still finding it really weird that apparently all of the godlike beings in the galaxy are somehow either defeated by Control in only 1,000 years or just don't give a damn.

I mean, where are the Q? The Cytherians? The Thasians? The Guardian of Forever? The Traveller's race? The Organians? The Prophets?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Let the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth begin.

I did find it odd that Georgiou was the first to say it. After all, surely the Mirror Universe is prime to her and we're the weird copy? But I guess she was using Starfleet/Section 31 terminology.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'm still finding it really weird that apparently all of the godlike beings in the galaxy are somehow either defeated by Control in only 1,000 years or just don't give a damn.

I mean, where are the Q? The Cytherians? The Thasians? The Guardian of Forever? The Traveller's race? The Organians? The Prophets?

Maybe They all know that things turn out OK in the end and decide not to interfere?

I did find it odd that Georgiou was the first to say it. After all, surely the Mirror Universe is prime to her and we're the weird copy? But I guess she was using Starfleet/Section 31 terminology.

Perhaps in going over the data from the Reliant she sees that term being used in some historical report?

 

[Kor]

Another 8 for me. I thought this was pretty solid. I liked the developments from Dr. Burnham's logs and the insight into Spock's character.
Too bad about Leland. I assume the real Leland will never manage to emerge from that abomination. But Control-ized Leland makes for an interesting villain!
I wonder how Georgiou made her escape from the destruction of the facility at the end.

I'm still finding it really weird that apparently all of the godlike beings in the galaxy are somehow either defeated by Control in only 1,000 years or just don't give a damn.

I mean, where are the Q? The Cytherians? The Thasians? The Guardian of Forever? The Traveller's race? The Organians? The Prophets?

Control becomes so advanced that it outwits all of them?

Kor