Pretty much my approach to enjoying the show...I can overlook some storytelling issues if the overall presentation is entertaining, fun, or thoughtful. Tolerance is a subjective thing, but my threshold is reasonably high. If I'm entertained, I won't complain...much.I've always found that just going with the flow, is the best way to really enjoy any form of entertainment.
Otherwise, why bother?
One can critique the Hell out of just about any TV show or movie now-a-days, but I figured out ages ago that that kind of mentality doesn't improve anything in the long run, it just makes one more miserable.
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Best case scenario, though, would be that those episodes wouldn't be at the point in the show where your whole arc comes together and you actually have to start answering a couple of things.
Yeah, that's true, for those viewers for which this episode didn't work. I probably overreacted a bit too.Best case scenario, though, would be that those episodes wouldn't be at the point in the show where your whole arc comes together and you actually have to start answering a couple of things.
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I started getting bored. The characters were becoming boring, the plot was boring, the sequence of events was boring. If I'm not entertained, whether that means just suspending all disbelief or letting my mind crank away at some of the ideas presented in the episode, then it is failing me. I'm going to comment on that kind of thing, otherwise there would be no point to a discussion forum, it would just end up being "well that was an episode" week after week.I've always found that just going with the flow, is the best way to really enjoy any form of entertainment.
Otherwise, why bother?
One can critique the Hell out of just about any TV show or movie now-a-days, but I figured out ages ago that that kind of mentality doesn't improve anything in the long run, it just makes one more miserable.
Nah, it's all good. What you said wasn't wrong. Every show is bound to have bad episodes. It's just so frustrating, because the first half of the season started so promising, but now we're right back to the “quality” of season one writing. Okay, it's still better than how they wrapped up season one. But of course there's still a couple of episodes to go before we can judge fully.
I think the fact that the majority of us rates these episodes 8-10 is -in a way- proof that the season is good. Not all episodes can be like ‘If Memory Serves’... but seriously, how many season 2 episodes would have gotten mostly 8-10 ratings from the other series post-TOS..? A handful? With DSC: ALL of them...!
I really think the back room drama this show has had all along can't have helped. Hopefully they have a better production environment next year. A little chaos is good creatively but not all the time.
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In fairness, I've seen people rate something a 7 and said "eh, I didn't really like it." Our rating systems are completely subjective. For example, this episode got a "4" from me, which means "less than average, mediocre at best." To get a "7," "8," or "9" I have to really love it, I mean it has to really grab my attention and keep me watching. The previous episode did just that, even though a large number of people really didn't like that one. So it's all subject to personal taste and what we're each looking for in a Star Trek episode.
There's no science to the rating systems. Broadly I think they can be used to compare episode to episode across a season because It's roughly the same people voting and hopefully by roughly the same personal criteria, but not much beyond that. An average score of 7 point something and regular double figures scores for "ten" strongly suggest we aren't grading on a system of "compared to all Trek ever, from Threshold to Far Beyond the Stars"
Sure about that? So much toxicity even in here sometimes...Yeah, any "ratings" done around here are probably going to always skew more to the positive just because of the fact that we all LUV Star Trek in one way or another.
There also is -- at least for me -- a bit of a qualify inflation that happens with the earlier episodes of a serialized story. They can defer a lot of the hard questions in ways more episodic Trek shows could not. In the building of a serialized story, I'm willing to optimistically believe the ending is going to be as satisfying as the rising action. The episode just doesn't have to do as much on it's own to satisfy -- it's much easier to make a satisfying episode of rising action than it is to make a satisfying episode of resolution.
So as I was watching them the first time, I really did just love episode 5 - 13 of season 1, and episodes 2 - 8 of this season.
When season 1 ended so incompetently and unsatisfactorily, I went from loving most of the earlier eps to merely liking them, but they'd still score high-ish. But all my scorn is really heaped on those last two episodes, just unwatchable garbage.
So... I'm, depressingly, expecting something similar here.
And if that does come to pass, by season 3 I'm not willing to look at the beginning/middle of the season through rose colored glasses anymore. Since we'll know by that point that coherent resolutions are not something this staff is capable of, there's then so much more pressure on the earliest installments to satisfy in other ways, and for me the ratings would go down even if their quality-level is otherwise comparable to the first two seasons.
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That's all of them thenWith the diversity of folks around here, I figure that any episode with average scores above a 6 is probably a pretty damn good one.
The lowest average so far outside the shorts is The Vulcan Hello with 6.67. We skew very high in our scoring:
I get what you’re saying. I’m hoping for a good finale..!
Remember the build up of the Shadow war in B5... so amazing... it ended with ‘Get the hell out of out galaxy!’ Or LOST... Guess it IS pretty hard to make a satifying ending..! I do agree with you on the S1 finale: it was a let-down... But ‘war without, war within’ wasn’t THAT bad was it...?
Vulcan Hello undoubtedly scored the lowest because:That's all of them then
The lowest average so far is The Vulcan Hello with 6.67. We skew very high in our scoring:
1. It was freely shown on TV, meaning it had the widest U.S. audience of more causal fans.
2. A lot of people tuned out after that episode.
One thing I'll say I liked about this episode - one of the only things - is Micheal Burnham was once again basically irrelevant to the plot. She was subject, but not object this particular week, which reinforces the message the show had been giving for the last few episodes.
I mean think about it. Georgiou was the hero this episode, given she was the one who figured out that Leland was possessed by Control and stopped the data upload. Ash and Pike played secondary roles, fighting with Leland and blowing the station up respectively. Burnham didn't do shit except blow up the containment fields which were allowing her mother to stay in this time period. And even there, she hesitated due to her personal feelings - much as was the case when she couldn't space Airiam, meaning she came close to fucking everything up.
Also, it was established the reason Spock was special was his dyslexia allowed him to communicate with Gabrielle - not that he was Michael's adopted brother. This is stupid, but it still shows that their connection wasn't the important thing here.
In addition, the episode basically shut the door on the idea that Michael might in the future ever don the Red Angel suit herself. Essentially all of the angel's onscreen appearances were name dropped, and many others were recorded in Gabrielle's logs. The suit is also now completely non-functional. Michael's mom is important here, but she herself is not.
I mean think about it. Georgiou was the hero this episode, given she was the one who figured out that Leland was possessed by Control and stopped the data upload. Ash and Pike played secondary roles, fighting with Leland and blowing the station up respectively. Burnham didn't do shit except blow up the containment fields which were allowing her mother to stay in this time period. And even there, she hesitated due to her personal feelings - much as was the case when she couldn't space Airiam, meaning she came close to fucking everything up.
Also, it was established the reason Spock was special was his dyslexia allowed him to communicate with Gabrielle - not that he was Michael's adopted brother. This is stupid, but it still shows that their connection wasn't the important thing here.
In addition, the episode basically shut the door on the idea that Michael might in the future ever don the Red Angel suit herself. Essentially all of the angel's onscreen appearances were name dropped, and many others were recorded in Gabrielle's logs. The suit is also now completely non-functional. Michael's mom is important here, but she herself is not.
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