I’m also of the mind Leland is not dead - or at least, he’s been infiltrated / discombobulated by Control - and will appear again.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"
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That's funny because I can relate to this. While I love this season I'd like them to now wrap things up nicely in the next 4 episodes and let that be the last time we hear about A.I. or Control or anything related to that.
This. Resolve the Control/AI issue so that it explains why we never again hear of it in the later series and films and sweep it all under the rug.
Leland is maybe the worst operative of Section 31 ever, and so non threatening.
Did anyone notice he got taken out the same way that guy did in the movie The Phantom from the 90s?
I was wracking my memory to find why that scene looked so familiar to me and then was watching the movie and bang yep he's that guy.
Did anyone notice he got taken out the same way that guy did in the movie The Phantom from the 90s?
I was wracking my memory to find why that scene looked so familiar to me and then was watching the movie and bang yep he's that guy.
In the Federation, not at all, as there isn't really a free flow of such classified-grade information that this whole situation would be put under and the PTB like to bury these sort of embarrassments. Any reports of this situation will likely be redacted and only available fully to admiral level clearance.
However, by any account a century is to short a time period for Star Trek fans to exhaust an argument like this over this kind of topic. I expect there will still be heated arguments come 2119 if the last 50 years are any indication.
I've been away for a few days, so I've not read through any of the pages. But, is it possible Control possessing Leland will be revealed to be the origins of the Borg? Conveniently, there is a spore drive ship nearby that can jump him to the Delta Quadrant (or he can be dumped in the Delta Quadrant by Starfleet, thinking he wouldn't be a threat waaaay out there)
I don't think so. I liked that they for once verbally acknowledged the existence of non-heteronormative humans in ST.
Oh well. They just needed more than (checking...) 600 hours of produced Star Trek content to admit that gays exist.
Your average '90s sitcom was more progressive...
Although the stereotypical depiction of non-het folks mostly did people a disservice and helped perpetuate prejudice...Oh well. They just needed more than (checking...) 600 hours of produced Star Trek content to admit that gays exist.
Your average '90s sitcom was more progressive...
...but yes, I can tell you're kidding.
Seriously, I thought it was nice that finally, someone said things like "non-binary" and "gay" without turning the subject into an after school special (which would have othered queer people even more than they usually are). It could have been handled better, probably, but at least the depictions on DISCO are not a collection of queer-coded stereotypes, which is a step forward.
2004 BSG was, for all its flaws, a bit ahead where queer representation is concerned, but I'm glad Trek is at least on acknowledging terms, now. They got past the "very special episode" thing as well as conflating sexuality and gender, which is a win in my book. Baby steps are better than no steps.
Yeah I like to think the Federation and Starfleet by extension classify whatever they can unless it's such a huge event that they can't shove it under the carpet like the Xindi attack on Earth for example, or the whale probe.
I'm happy that it's clear I was jokingAlthough the stereotypical depiction of non-het folks mostly did people a disservice and helped perpetuate prejudice...
...but yes, I can tell you're kidding.
Seriously, I thought it was nice that finally, someone said things like "non-binary" and "gay" without turning the subject into an after school special (which would have othered queer people even more than they usually are). It could have been handled better, probably, but at least the depictions on DISCO are not a collection of queer-coded stereotypes, which is a step forward.
2004 BSG was, for all its flaws, a bit ahead where queer representation is concerned, but I'm glad Trek is at least on acknowledging terms, now. They got past the "very special episode" thing as well as conflating sexuality and gender, which is a win in my book. Baby steps are better than no steps.
.And really, even when they dealt with the subject with some "very special episode" (i.e. The Outcast) they didn't do a very good job... (btw, I don't consider Rejoined an episode about LBGT themes, but more about social prejudices - I mean, in the original draft of the story Dax's former lover was male).
I'm happy that it's clear I was joking
And really, even when they dealt with the subject with some "very special episode" (i.e. The Outcast) they didn't do a very good job... (btw, I don't consider Rejoined an episode about LBGT themes, but more about social prejudices - I mean, in the original draft of the story Dax's former lover was male).
True. The Outcast gets a gold star for trying, but dang, has that episode aged badly.
Also, let's not forget that two women kissing wasn't in any way pushing boundaries, as it was (and still is) mostly done for the benefit of cis-het dudes and not for the sake of queer representation.
It has certainly aged badly as an episode about homosexuality, but it has accidentally become a fairly decent episode about the idea of gender. Soren is essentially trans, or space trans anyway, and her society reject it as a disease or a deviancy. They deny her existence and then try to cure her. Riker meanwhile is accepting of her gender identity without question. Could be worse.
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Ha! Perhaps, although I’m thinking it won’t be the Borg, and prolly some new form of AI not previously seen, although...
O_@
Ha! Perhaps, although I’m thinking it won’t be the Borg, and prolly some new form of AI not previously seen, although...
O_@
I don't know. The episode pretty much treats sexuality and gender identity as being the same, and in the end, the sci-fi conversion therapy works, which is something that is very much untrue in reality. It's a nice attempt for the time, probably, but it's misguided and the aesop kind of broken. It's also, in the end, a hetero-normative romance, which I don't find all that challenging.
Didn't Frakes want Soren to be played by a male actor to make the whole thing a bit less normative? I think I heard that somewhere.
Still, you are correct: it could be worse, especially given the time the episode was made.
DISCO isn't off the hook, either, although I think they're a bit less clumsy about it. We have not yet seen the topic of gender identity being brought up - especially without it becoming a dreaded "very special episode". But this is the reason I actually kind of liked the Georgiou/Stamets scene, as silly as it was. She said "binary". It at least implies the existence of non-binary people, which is better than nothing but nowhere near ideal.
Yeah he did, but there was no way Berman was going to allow that. You're right about the heteronormative romance, Rejoined cheats with this too, "oh they're really husband and wife".
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