Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x10 - "The Red Angel"

[fireproof78]

What kind of catch-22 are you trying to set up for me here... somehow I'm wrong whether I'm thinking about things too much or too little? FWIW, I've been accused of the former far more than the latter. I also derive a lot of enjoyment from the process of piecing together the big picture of continuity in a shared universe. That doesn't mean I don't find it frustrating when careless writers make that process needlessly complicated.

Star Trek has been doing that to me since "Corbomite Maneuver." I really don't feel like DSC is treading new territory on this particular point.

Meh. General audiences are large and diverse, and do not think with a single mind nor see through a single set of eyes. And if one is merely aiming at whatever is "average" among them, then one is aiming too low, because on those terms general audiences don't know much about Trek, less about SF in general, and even less than that about real-world science. Basically "general audience expectations" are an excuse that can be used to handwave away just about any damn thing a writer wants to do.

Given that a general audience is one that a production tries to appeal to in order to survive I think we will agree to disagree. I don't want something written just for my specific interests and desires.

If that's the standard, then much of the discussion on these forums, not to mention the entire enterprise of professional criticism, pretty much dissolves into utter pointlessness.

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Yes, this is absolutely correct.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

Leland's last scene in this episode dropped my rating of it by three points, and joins such nightmare-fodder gross-outs as the salt vampire morphing into its natural form and promptly attempting to eat Kirk, and the scenes of Picard's transformation into Locutus (especially, as I recall, as redone for the prologue of First Contact) among the ranks of things I sincerely wish I could un-see.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Leland's last scene in this episode dropped my rating of it by three points, and joins such nightmare-fodder gross-outs as the salt vampire morphing into its natural form and promptly attempting to eat Kirk, and the scenes of Picard's transformation into Locutus (especially, as I recall, as redone for the prologue of First Contact) among the ranks of things I sincerely wish I could un-see.

Lelands fate was well deserved. His last line was the typical line of bad guys to paraphrase "this isn't over" nup sorry mate this is over for you. Bye bye.

However odd there's a line that mama Burnham said that Leland also said when Control had taken him over about going with the progam and I found it odd that mama Burnham would have said almost exactly the same words. I did find that most odd. However she's not working for Control it's just coincidence she said that I think.

 

[DaveyNY]

Leland's last scene in this episode dropped my rating of it by three points, and joins such nightmare-fodder gross-outs as the salt vampire morphing into its natural form and promptly attempting to eat Kirk, and the scenes of Picard's transformation into Locutus (especially, as I recall, as redone for the prologue of First Contact) among the ranks of things I sincerely wish I could un-see.

You must have both dropped your popcorn and soiled your shorts with this scene from TMP then...

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[Gingerbread Demon]

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And people wonder why McCoy hates those

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yeah, I think I’d be just like McCoy, demanding a shuttle every time. I think people will have a hard time solving the “does the transporter murder then copy you” debate, rendering the technology unusable IRL, from a metaphysical point of view.

 

[oberth]

yep, he does that at times but in most cases he just steps into the dämned machine, doesn't he?

 

[fireproof78]

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Awful scene.

 

[137th Gebirg]

yep, he does that at times but in most cases he just steps into the dämned machine, doesn't he?

Expediency of plot. The landing party can’t keep waiting for the cranky doctor to get moved via shuttle when they have some planet-wide contagion to be treated immediately.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

You must have both dropped your popcorn and soiled your shorts with this scene from TMP then...

Uh, no. That's simply a tragic scene.

 

[cooleddie74]

I am still a little surprised that two crewmembers being turned inside out and painfully so by a transporter was in a G-rated movie. Their horrible screams of agony as the transporter kills them is pretty dark even by TWOK standards. And the description of their remains after they rematerialize on Earth puts a mental image in your head you don't normally get from viewing a G-rated and supposedly family-friendly film.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

I am still a little surprised that two crewmembers being turned inside out and painfully so by a transporter was in a G-rated movie.

Two simple words:
Snow White.
Yes, I know, it was retroactively rated G because it passed the Hays Code, but the point is, it was intended as a family film. And Kubrick's 2001 also carried a G rating, but it's hardly a family film.
(I could also invoke Pinocchio, but I'd only be making an ass of myself.)