Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x09 - "Project Daedalus"

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  1. The Vast Loneliness

    The Vast Loneliness Ensign Newbie

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    Thanks, will have to check it out. Weird is good.
     
  2. Ghost Minion Dave

    Ghost Minion Dave Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I saw the first episode.
    It is very weird, but was pretty good (IMO)


    BTW: Welcome to the forums.
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  3. Vger23

    Vger23 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Somehow we've forgotten about

    Spock backhanding Kirk in The Naked Time
    ...beating the shit out of Kirk in This Side of Paradise
    ...killing Kirk in Amok Time
    ...attacking McCoy in All Our Yesterdays
    ...slapping the Phaser out of Valeris's hand

    We can certainly say it's unusual for Spock to be violent or snap angrily, but it isn't "out of character." In fact, it's very much in character.
     
  4. The Vast Loneliness

    The Vast Loneliness Ensign Newbie

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    Thanks DaveyNY. I'm thrilled to be here :)
     
  5. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    He came from a dysfunctional home.
    Also no 21st century social worker with any wisdom would place young Michael Burnham in Sarek's and Amanda's care. What is one of the first things they do when they get her, put that nasty Vulcan wig on her head, denying her human ethnicity, its like bleaching the skin of a black child in your foster care to make her fit in with the white kids in the village.
     
  6. IMC Headquarters

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    Sarek's an Ambassador to another planet--yeah, he's going to be home a lot...
     
  7. Photoman15

    Photoman15 Commodore Commodore

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    Not sure if you're being facetious. You know it's not (supposed to be) a wig, right?
     
  8. Nyotarules

    Nyotarules Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yeah I know, its worse, they straighten the afro out of her hair. I blame the production team with a racially limited view of a fictional race. Surak forbid a brown skinned Vulcan or human actually keep their natural hair texture, it would not be logical. I blame the TNG era for their monocultural aliens.
     
  9. Ovation

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    Kind of surprising Tuvok wasn’t obliged to have the bowl cut.
     
  10. IMC Headquarters

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    Vulcans aren't enamored of fuzzy logic.
     
  11. saladdays

    saladdays Commander Red Shirt

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    Keeping with your disdain with "monocultural aliens," then we also can't say that all brown skinned Vulcans have the same type of hair as similar humans, right?
     
  12. Noname Given

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    But hey, Spock did like Tribbles. :nyah:
     
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  13. XCV330

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    some "black" vulcans have straight hair. some don't. T'Pel had the same Bowl Cut burnham sported in when she was first on Shenzou. Its pretty clear they show her that way just to demonstrate how assimilated Burnham had allowed herself to become but in this regard i think it was also just her fitting in with the family, trying to look like step-dad, not with Vulcan culture at large.
     
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  14. Nyotarules

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    But all pale skinned Vulcans have similar hair as their pale skinned human counterparts....right? Maybe there is a Vulcan haired version of Tilly somewhere out there
     
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  15. Nyotarules

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    I put T'Pel down to the real life racial, cultural ignorance of the production team, sadly it still persists.
     
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  16. Gilora

    Gilora Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I didn't notice it before, but Admiral Terral didn't have the Vulcan hair either. Conrad Coates is a good-looking guy and the wig would have looked ridiculous on him.
     
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  17. Nyotarules

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    In my fanon Terral is Tuvok's uncle, he had pro Starfleet parents
     
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  18. saladdays

    saladdays Commander Red Shirt

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    I really don't remember about all pale skinned Vulcan hair.

    But if we have dark skinned Vulcans who don't have "Vulcan hair," it seems a little strange to say that Burnham's straight hair is only due to some racial or cultural ignorance. I think XCV330 put it best that Burnham's hair was probably more due to Sarek's influence on her and less (if at all) about Vulcan society itself. I mean, I think Burnham would have probably used that hairstyle if she were white.
     
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  19. Nyotarules

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    The irony of this sentence
     
  20. XCV330

    XCV330 A Being of Pure Caffeine Premium Member

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    Another thing to note is that Vulcans don't always do the bowl-cut even if they have naturally straight hair, especially females. Saavik didn't, T'Pau didn't (through various eras of her life, though she did change it up now and then), Surak didn't, Mirror T'Pol. Spock abandoned the bowl when he was going through his kohlinar practice. Big Brother Sybok certainly didn't seem to influence Michael's hair choice. T'Pring.. nope. Amanda's not Vulcan but she certainly had time to assimilate, never let the spaghetti bowl and shears come near her raven locks. The Syranites, except for maybe T'Pol's mom seem to have ditched the bowl.

    It's a popular hair cut, to be sure. I don't think the Vulcan Cosmetology Academy has a very long syllabus when it comes to hairstyles, but it's not the only option.

    If it weren't for just the logistics of actors and makeup and the time period it all started out in, it might have been more interesting to show Vulcan as a truly ethnically homogenous culture. They've been more or less culturally monolithic for a few thousand years, so its more interesting that there are still ethnic types there. Why didn't they homogenize? (that'd be good book fodder. On a side rant, N.K. Jemisen's Broken Earth series gives some interesting ideas of why developing certain ethnic traits in harsh circumstances would be desirable. Can't wait to see the TNT series and how they handle ashblow-hair)

    I digress. I don't think it it was ham-fisted or culturally insensitive.
     
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