Better to be the TCW than, say, the Kazon, for example.
But not by much.
But not by much.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x07 - "Light and Shadows"
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That map is all over the place. (isn't it like 30 years old or something?)
Praxis is way the hell up at the top and not even in Klingon territory.
I like the one from STO a whole lot better...
(be aware, this is a really big pic)
And even it's not perfect, but They at least adjust it every once in awhile to try and keep it a bit more accurate.
I like that there's some ambiguity about them. The questions about Leland's motivations are the most interesting thing they've done with S31 so far, IMO. But the show is trying to have its cake and eat it, too. At the same time they're aiming for ambiguity, they're playing it broad and cartoonish, with eeevil Georgiou running around hissing like a snake and Tyler on the bridge acting like he's above the law. Hard to sustain those two approaches simultaneously -- at a certain point, it just becomes a muddle. The writers were going for a big dramatic moment with Burnham Might Find Out, so my reaction really shouldn't have been "Huh?"
I think your reaction is your reaction. It can be "Huh?" just as much as it can be something else.
Also, I prefer how they are doing both ambiguity and evil. It's an approach that Trek has vacillated with, but usually with the same character. Having one more black and one more grey allows both approaches to be explored. IMHO.
My experience in this world leads me to understand that everyone in an organization does not act in exactly the same manner and they also do not interact the same way with each other or other people depending on their relationships with them. Therefore, The idea that 3 members of Section 31 do not act in exactly the same way isn't really confusing to me. As I recall Kirk, Spock and McCoy behaved quite differently. They were all considered members of Starfleet and even managed to serve on the same ship together.
We must not have been watching the same show. Georgiou is patently not like that at all, and Tyler's not making any friends with his attitude.
And the planet list on Page 31 gives the exact coordinates.
That map is all over the place. (isn't it like 30 years old or something?)
Praxis is way the hell up at the top and not even in Klingon territory.
I like the one from STO a whole lot better...
(be aware, this is a really big pic)
And even it's not perfect, but They at least adjust it every once in awhile to try and keep it a bit more accurate.
STO's map is based on the 2003 Star Charts (and recent Stellar Cartography), just like Discovery's various computer screens. But they have moved some things around for gameplay or plot reasons. Plus added their own systems
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The issue isn't whether Tyler is likable, it's that we don't have an understanding of his role, his authority or what he can get away with. It looks like Pike still commands him, or at least that Tyler is letting him believe that. Maybe? There has to be some rules of the game for how Section 31 operates, at least if they want to do reveals like Burnham Might Find Out. I have no idea why Section 31 cares if Burnham finds out or if there would be any consequence if she did. She's a random Starfleet officer, not even a captain, so who cares? Admiral Cornwell apparently knows what they do already, so there's nothing in story to suggest they are operating outside the purview of Starfleet.
We'll have to,disagree on MU Georgiou. This ep was her best outing, and the first hint she might become something more than a total cartoon, IMO.
I'm glad they're doing more with both of them. I didn't think I would like how they would use Tyler but it has been ok.
I don't think it was Section 31 being worried. Georgiou threatened Leland personally. Michael has legal options if she finds out a Federation citizen killed her parents. At the very least she's the foster child of a very influential ambassador who could make problems for Leland. Honestly, I think you're over-interpreting Michael's importance. If I were Leland, I wouldn't want people finding out I did something horrible to fellow Feds. The bad press alone would ruin his career.
We, as the viewers, really shouldn't have to make up reasons for a dramatic moment to be dramatic. The plot should set it up better, even it doesn't give us all the answers.
So does Spock have to punch the numbers into the computer in the Dharma Initiative bunker every 108 minutes or else the Island will have a massive electromagnetic pulse? Maybe that's what disabled the Enterprise.
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I wasn't aware that I was doing that. I saw what I saw and drew conclusions. Isn't that how media consumption works? I don't get what was supposed to be dramatic about that. Georgiou wants to be boss. She threatened Leland. He got a constipated look on his face. I concluded that he wasn't pleased. That was it. Nowhere did they say that the entirety of Section 31 was worried. There was no drama. I honestly don't understand what you mean.
Same here.
For drama to be dramatic, there has to be consequence. But for Leland here, and for Section 31 more broadly, we have no idea what that consequence would be, or even if there would be any. Here it's implied "this would be bad," but that's undercut by 1) having seen Section 31 act with impugnity before and 2) Discovery having indicated that Section 31 is operating with the sanction of Starfleet Command. So we're left to guess why this dramatic moment is a dramatic moment. It's like trying to mine drama from someone about to fire a gun at Superman. Maybe there's a reason why we should be concerned the bullet won't just bounce off, but the plot has to tee that up.
First of all, S31 has always had some sort of plausible deniability or operational acknowledgement by Starfleet Command. Secondly, the story isn't over yet so I guess I don't find the drama to be undercut by "lack of consequence" when the full implications are not known yet.
And I repeat: what drama? There's been no drama on that front yet. All that happened is that Georgiou threatened to expose Leland, who probably did some no-no that might cost him his career. That's it.
I agree, it wasn’t a particularly dramatic scene, more like a casual conversation.
You’re correct, there is no drama there. That’s the problem. Too bad her threat carries no weight with the viewer.
Why are you so hung up on some random detail that didn't even mean much? She said something. It may pay off. It may not. So what? That's just trying to interpret intentions into something that hasn't even happened yet.
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