Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x05 - "Saints of Imperfection"

[Turtletrekker]

The discussion in this case isn't about Culber's resurrection being silly, it's about it not being planned ahead of time. Thus citing TSFS doesn't help your argument.

The "remember" sequence and Spock's coffin at the end of The Wrath of Khan were both added in after the fact (and without the participation of Nicholas Meyer) to foreshadow the possibility, if not the certainty, that Spock may return.

 

[Vger23]

That's not a great example though, because there was no plan to bring back Spock until after TWOK.

Actually, the only person who had no plan to bring back Spock was Meyer.

The film was modified before release to leave the door open for Spock's return in the next film.

So actually, they DID plan on it.

 

[Longinus]

I could care less

How much less?

 

[Vger23]

The "remember" sequence and Spock's coffin at the end of The Wrath of Khan, were both added in after the fact (and without the participation of Nicholas Meyer) to foreshadow the possibility, if not the certainty, that Spock may return.

Damnit...I was ninja'd!!

 

[Vger23]

How much less?

Less than a lot of people who waste precious time and energy on things that don't matter, apparently.

 

[Michael]

This episode marks the fourth (!) time they are employing basically the same blue glowy particles effect to represent something alien. (The glowing motes in “Context is for Kings”, the spores, the Pahvans and now the JahSepp.) The effects guys sure seem to like this effect.

 

[Vger23]

This episode marks the fourth (!) time they are employing basically the same blue glowy particles effect to represent something alien. (The glowing motes in “Context is for Kings”, the spores, the Pahvans and now the JahSepp.) The effects guys sure seem to like this effect.

The least they could do was change their color, right??

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

This episode marks the fourth (!) time they are employing basically the same blue glowy particles effect to represent something alien. (The glowing motes in “Context is for Kings”, the spores, the Pahvans and now the JahSepp.) The effects guys sure seem to like this effect.

Yesterday's energy cloud is today's energy sprites

 

[Hythlodeus]

This episode marks the fourth (!) time they are employing basically the same blue glowy particles effect to represent something alien. (The glowing motes in “Context is for Kings”, the spores, the Pahvans and now the JahSepp.) The effects guys sure seem to like this effect.

I think there is a reason the spores and the JahSep look similar and the Pahvans look slightly different

 

[Michael]

I hadn't seen this mentioned anywhere, but in light of the “science vs. faith” theme of this season it's interesting that they gave the spore beings a name that contains the (short form of the) name of God in the Hebrew Bible. I wonder if it's completely incidental or if the “sepp” part also has some religious meaning/origin.

 

[thribs]

Yeah, they should have made them just Starfleet Intelligence, with one of them being also a Section 31 operative. Would have worked way better.

 

[thribs]

We should get back to the sort of wholesome stuff that the great bird wanted for Trek - Spock assassinating JFK from the grassy knoll with a tear in his eye.

I thought JFK was that?

 

[Noname Given]

I wonder if in the 23rd century, Hallmark makes "Sorry I snapped your neck" cards.

Of course they do - it's in the Vulcan Tal-shaya apologies section.

 

[Turtletrekker]

This episode marks the fourth (!) time they are employing basically the same blue glowy particles effect to represent something alien. (The glowing motes in “Context is for Kings”, the spores, the Pahvans and now the JahSepp.) The effects guys sure seem to like this effect.

At least they don't all have different foreheads.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

At least they don't all have different foreheads.

Okay, now that's just damn funny.

 

[Cyrus]

the end credits list Bryan Fuller as an 'Executive Consultant'. Has that always been there?

Yes, for all second season episodes.

This is similar to the title Michael Piller got on DS9 and VOY when he stopped being the showrunner. I don’t know if they actually provide consultations or this is just an honorary title for the co-creator of the series.

 

[Cyrus]

Choosing between the choices that the producers were up front about the character returning right from the start and believing the internet conspiracy theories that I'm reading in this thread, I'll choose the simplest explanation, which is that the producers were telling the truth. Occam's razor and all that.

Agreed. The actors and producers have consistently said that this was the plan all along. But the contradicting theories are based on zero evidence so far, just the lack of faith in writers on part of the distractors, so I tend to dismiss them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Culber might be "real" enough to frakk Stammets, but there is no way that he is "real" enough to get his security clearance, rank and medical degree if his entire mental scope is made up from Stammets' memories of Culber, and Culber doesn't know anything that Stammets' doesn't know.

 

[Cyrus]

^Culber’s katra is still there, so he has his memories

 

[plynch]

Wait. I forgot that and had skipped some pages. This wasn't even an alien transporter clone, but a construct based on Stamets' memory? Made physical through the alien pod's matter.

Like a wife based on my perception and memory of my wife not on the real one. I'm remembering TOS Man Trap where each person saw a different Nancy Crater.

So nuCulber: he's not based on a real Culber. Hm, bet they paper over that fact. Unless I got it wrong