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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x05 - "Saints of Imperfection"

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I feel that, as long as he never found a girlfriend, 2000 years later, JC would have kept growing out his beard.

The bigger the beard, the more difficult the punching lottery is with finding a weak pointy chin underneath all that bush.
 
Maybe they were shadowy in ENT, but has since come out of the shadows for DSC. However, perhaps Georgiou and Leland will help Section 31 slink back into the shadows once again, which is where it is by the time Deep Space Nine rolls around.

Maybe she doesn't like the more open direction Section 31 had taken since ENT and attempts to rectify that by becoming more secretive again.

Georgiou takes over Section 31 (Leland dies in an 'accident') and uses it to try and takeover the Federation, she is defeated by the hero Burnham and Section 31 is disbanded by the Federation. However it goes underground and is taken over by a computer programme as per the novels.
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Who would have been around to say, "Section 31! I've heard of them". As someone pointed out out these are the same people who apparently never heard of a smooth head Klingon. Did they purged that from the electronic records too? :lol:

Basically every Vulcan? Lots of Klingons? Trill symbionts in new hosts?

Lots of Trek species live longer than a century on average.
 
Georgiou takes over Section 31 (Leland dies in an 'accident') and uses it to try and takeover the Federation, she is defeated by the hero Burnham and Section 31 is disbanded by the Federation. However it goes underground and is taken over by a computer programme as per the novels.
The End

The fact that Section 31 is getting its own show makes me think Burnham may not be responsible for its downfall, but otherwise I suspect you're generally on the money.
 
Basically every Vulcan? Lots of Klingons? Trill symbionts in new hosts?

Lots of Trek species live longer than a century on average.
Plus there’s this thing called a history book. Or, you know, telling people. None of my family’s stories were written down yet I can tell you stuff that happened to relatives in the 1890’s.
 
Georgiou takes over Section 31 (Leland dies in an 'accident') and uses it to try and takeover the Federation, she is defeated by the hero Burnham and Section 31 is disbanded by the Federation. However it goes underground and is taken over by a computer programme as per the novels.
The End

Section 31 controlled by a computer program? What? Was this some attempt by a writer to make Humans not responsible for the agency's later actions?


For once, Pike struck me as interesting . . . and flawed.
 
Plus there’s this think called a history book. Or, you know, telling people. None of my family’s stories were written down yet I can tell you stuff that happened to relatives in the 1890’s.
And I can't. :shrug:
People only know what they've read or heard about. There are large gaps in my knowledge of the last 100 years and I actually like history. Bashir seems totally unaware of smooth head Klingons. Yet surely they were covered in History, probably more so than Section 31.
 
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I admit, I felt a bit underwhelmed by this episode, but last week's one was a tough act to follow. I think it was caused mainly by the whole crisis in the mycelial network being of a much lower magnitude than what I would've expected. Still, if I don't consider my prior expectations, it was actually a beautiful and poetic concept: Paul, halfway between the network and normal space, saw Hugh lying dead, and in his grief, reached out for his energy and somehow brought him to life on the other side, in a form that was inadvertently hurting the network as it tried to defend itself against his presence. I found it a quite fitting allegory for grief, and specifically, how it hurts everything around you when you can't let go. I'm not sure if Hugh being back defeats the allegory or not. Let's see how Paul deals with the fallout going forward. Their moments together, Hugh finally accepting Paul as real, and deciding to sacrifice himself so that Discovery would be saved and Paul could move on were very touching.

I'm sad that the shuttle carrying Georgiou instead of Spock was spoiled by the press photos a few days ago, but I don't usually hold this up against the episode itself; I wouldn't have known without that picture of her standing in the medical shuttle's doorway. These kinds of things happen, as James Cameron can attest to, with the marketing campaign for Terminator 2 spoiling what was supposed to be the movie's big twist; namely, that Arnie was the good guy this time.

May's plot and motivation reminded me a bit of how Smiley pretended to be our O'Brien to kidnap Sisko to the Mirror Universe to get his help against the Alliance. So in that way, while I kind of wanted Tilly to be outraged for just a little bit longer (wonderfully strong acting from Mary Wiseman in that scene, I might add... her righteous anger felt palpable, beautifully raw and very real), I wasn't uncomfortable with her eventually deciding to help. Sisko isn't the most stoic man and he didn't act on his anger towards Smiley for long either. Of course, Sisko wasn't rescued like Tilly was and didn't have a choice at any point, so the analogy is far from perfect.

I was taken aback by how overtly Section 31 operated in this episode. I didn't have any problems with it, the Federation does have geopolitical interests that need to be served, but it was still surprising how official Cornwell's mediation between Starfleet and S31 was. Article 14, Section 31 of the Starfleet Charter being namedropped was a nice little touch, and I'm curious what would happen in the next 100 years that would force Section 31 to retreat into the shadows. Perhaps it might be something that Georgiou will do in the future. I don't believe a word that leaves your mouth, Pippa, even if you're only asking what today's Stardate is.

My customary little things I noticed:
  • I utterly loved everybody's absolutely dumbstruck 'what the f***' reactions to Tyler's combadge. Probably the exact same reaction that many viewers had. I'm just wondering myself how much of Starfleet's common 24th century technology is already in use by Section 31. The tethered tractor beam was a really cool, unusual gadget as well.
  • Leland's uniform looked almost exactly like that of Sloan, with the exception of a very visible zipper. Black leather never goes out of fashion, I guess.
  • I absolutely lost it when Leland jokingly suggested they took Georgiou instead of Tyler and Pike and Cornwell immediately shot it down in unison.
 
Puxa vida! What the frack did I just watch?

Hmm, I have a cool theory about what the mycelial network is really made from...

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it may have been mentioned before in this long thread … I haven't read every post

But now Ash has no longer murdered Culber technically.

Just like Burnham never was negligent in getting her captain killed.

officially
 
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