Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

[shakham]

84 people thought this finale was a 10? I can understand someone enjoying it, but a 10? Is that really the majority opinion? I'm so out of touch.

I wish so badly it was a 10 in my eyes. How amazing and satisfying that would be.

We are on a Star Trek forum, what do you expect?
The 10 was basically because of the Enterprise with Pike showing up at the end.

 

[gblews]

I think the opening two episodes strongly imply that being raised on Vulcan, with no humans around but Amanda Grayson, meant that she didn't get the treatment she needed. Vulcans would have just told her to suppress her emotions and move on after all, which, while it might be healthy for a Vulcan, often isn't for a human.

How was it "strongly implied" that Burnham had PTSD as a child, and if so, that it wasn't treated?

If Burnham had displayed symptoms of PTSD, which is an illness, it is implausible to assume that Vucans would leave the condition untreated. Starfleet medical was well versed in treating conditions that were peculiar to alien races, so why wouldn't the Vulcans, who are regularly portrayed as being more advanced than humans in every way, not have the same, or even more advanced, capabilities?

In fact I don't think you can rule out that Vulcan treatment for PTSD might be better than humans -- that is, if Burnham had the condition. That, of course, has not been established on screen.

 

[Amaris]

We are on a Star Trek forum, what do you expect?
The 10 was basically because of the Enterprise with Pike showing up at the end.

I base it on a starting score of 5 points for Tilly, and then go up or down as necessary.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's also the case, as I've said before, that Tilly was shoehorned into so many weird plot elements in Act 2 (pretending to be Captain Killy, then the "spore expert" then brought along on the final mission because Georgiou liked Captain Killy) because Discovery chose to have so few members of its main cast, meaning roles which may have been parceled out to three or four different cast members in the older shows were shoehorned on her. I suppose it's not the worst thing in the world, but it does give the show a kind of fake "stage play" feel to it.

Huh? Tilly's been involved with the spore drive since it's introduction. They didn't suddenly pull it out their ass, she's been front and center in all the spore related episodes. She gets to be Captain Killy because she's Killy's doppelganger. Being on the mission with Georgiou is probably a case of "main characterism", but no more egregious than in other shows. At least the bridge crew/senior staff isn't in every landing party.
DISCO's main cast isn't all that much smaller than the other shows.
Burnham
Lorca
Saru
Stamets
Tyler
Tilly
So, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

 

[You Can't Know]

We are on a Star Trek forum, what do you expect?
The 10 was basically because of the Enterprise with Pike showing up at the end.

 

[ThrustersOnFull]

If they decide to promote Pike's number one to the Discovery captain's chair, then I'd love for Paget Brewster to be recast in the role:

She's not an exact match, but she has the bearing and no nonsense stoic quality Majel had as Number One.

I think Saru deserves the chair, though, so hopefully they are just making us wait on that score and maybe it will happen next season.

Hell yeah! I like that!

 

[Amaris]

I love Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. Unironically.

#MindBlown

 

[fireproof78]

I love Star Trek V: The Final Frontier. Unironically.

#MindBlown

It isn't the best, but it is a fun film.

 

[Amaris]

It isn't the best, but it is a fun film.

Indeed. That's how I rate my films, though, which is why it has sat near the top of the list of my favorite Trek films for so long.

 

[Succubint]

I confess that I'd heard such bad things about ST:V that I never watched it. Now I think I just might have to, to see what all the fuss is about Sybok. :P

 

[T'Bonz]

I think the opening two episodes strongly imply that being raised on Vulcan, with no humans around but Amanda Grayson, meant that she didn't get the treatment she needed. Vulcans would have just told her to suppress her emotions and move on after all, which, while it might be healthy for a Vulcan, often isn't for a human.

That one scene while she was freaking out as a child when asked questions about the Klingons - Sarek was fucking clueless. The Vulcan way is to just DEAL with the emotions, meaning stuff them down and/or control them.

Amanda, had she been there, would have known what to do. Poor Michael needed counseling and she certainly didn't need to be triggered by a school automatic teacher that kept badgering her about the subject.

 

[Pindar]

Huh? Tilly's been involved with the spore drive since it's introduction. They didn't suddenly pull it out their ass, she's been front and center in all the spore related episodes. She gets to be Captain Killy because she's Killy's doppelganger. Being on the mission with Georgiou is probably a case of "main characterism", but no more egregious than in other shows. At least the bridge crew/senior staff isn't in every landing party.
DISCO's main cast isn't all that much smaller than the other shows.
Burnham
Lorca
Saru
Stamets
Tyler
Tilly
So, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I would also count at least some of the below as main cast if not all Discovery Crew
L'Rell 10 Episodes
Culber 9 Episodes
Cornwell 7 Episodes
Georgiou 7 Episodes

Sarek 6 Episodes

I agree the most the bridge crew didn't contribute much but the story in Season 1 wasn't about them. TAlthough I hope that changes in S1.

 

[Mudd]

I don't care about the walk-ons in these shows. STD had a large cast of regulars and recurring characters to service who contributed to the plot. Let the button-pushers push buttons.

 

[Boomer359]

People keep using that example but I always took it that all charges were dropped because Kirk’s ends justified his means. But then tongue in cheek the president says one charge stands and your “punishment” is that you will be a captain of a starship which is what you were born to do. Kirk was basically being told SF felt like he was justified in what he did because hey, he’s James T. Kirk. I don’t take that as a legitimate judgment of guilty or a legitimate punishment. What happened to Burnham was a legitimate finding of guilty and the harshest repudiation SF can give someone.

I think we're in agreement. Starfleet and the Federation Council clearly felt that Kirk was either completely justified in his actions or that his subsequent deeds resulting from those actions retroactively justified the crimes he committed. It's only technically a conviction. But, to paraphrase Mr. Spock: I'm a lawyer, we tend to embrace technicality.

 

[Boomer359]

If the writers of Enterprise were given a 5th season, they were going to bring the Kzinti back into the universe. I'm personally hoping that's where Disco goes next season. Larry Niven's creations had a deep history and background (maybe even get to see the Puppeteers as the ones holding the Kzinti's chain as a new adversary in the quadrant). It could take Trek in a really interesting new direction.

Which probably means they won't do it...

I'm down for anything that takes Trek in a non-humanoid direction. An race of unlra cowardly, super-intelligent, three-legged, two-headed thingamajigs that practice eugenics and have enslaved a violent race of anthropomorphic cats to do their bidding would certainly fit that bill.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I confess that I'd heard such bad things about ST:V that I never watched it. Now I think I just might have to, to see what all the fuss is about Sybok. :P

I never saw the fuss either. Spock said flat out he doesn't discuss business of a personal nature

It's a good film for "big 3" character moments and some fun scenes.

 

[Nyotarules]

from your link:

Any person subject to this chapter who– (1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny

I see nothing in that link that says a single person can be a mutineer. it is always in concert with any other person

How many laws stay exactly the same for 300 years.

 

[Hythlodeus]

How many laws stay exactly the same for 300 years.

is that a trick question? my answer would be the law of gravity.

 

[Nyotarules]

I don't think you can rule out that Vulcan treatment for PTSD might be better than humans -- that is, if Burnham had the condition. That, of course, has not been established on screen.

In ENT the Vulcan treatment for PTSD was memory repression. Look how well that turned out for T'Pol. Vulcan Medical treatment seems to work well for Vulcans...some of the time.

 

[Nyotarules]

is that a trick question? my answer would be the law of gravity.

I doubt that is on the statute books of humankind