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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x15 - "Will You Take My Hand?"

Rate the episode...

  • 10 - A wonderful season finale!

    Votes: 89 26.2%
  • 9

    Votes: 51 15.0%
  • 8

    Votes: 64 18.8%
  • 7

    Votes: 46 13.5%
  • 6

    Votes: 18 5.3%
  • 5

    Votes: 24 7.1%
  • 4

    Votes: 15 4.4%
  • 3

    Votes: 10 2.9%
  • 2

    Votes: 7 2.1%
  • 1 - An awful season finale.

    Votes: 16 4.7%

  • Total voters
    340
The Brian May/Brian Blessed Save the Badgers! anti-badger cull one is worse, believe me.

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I clicked. I watched. The universe and I shared a moment. I’m working it through.
 
The hydro-bomb thing was completely ridiculous. Much of the groundwater is above the normal boiling point anyway, with pressure being what keeps it liquid. Hell, the earth's mantle has as much water trapped in hydrated minerals as all of the Earth's oceans. Hell, a lot of volcanic eruptions (and geysers) are caused when pressurized, super-heated water and gases manage to work their way to the earth's surface suddenly.

Regardless, the energy needed to boil all of the groundwater on a planet would basically cook the entire crust and turn it to lava anyway. You wouldn't need the volcanoes to erupt.
It was described as a massive phreatic eruption. Which works just the way they describe it in the show, the only thing you have to imagine it's the scale of the eruption caused by the bomb. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Certainly a lot more than 'changing the cosmological constant' with a 'dark energy bomb'.
 
If Mirror Lorca returned to the Mirror Universe with the Discovery, didn't Prime Lorca switch back to the prime universe at the same time? Or doesn't it work like that?
Probably. The question is though - was PU Lorca killed/assassinated after he ended up in the MU?

Spell check - the graphic artist's friend:

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Umm...that's how the word is now spelled in the 23rd century (due to Vulcanian influence on the English language.) ;)
 
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The Captain they will pick up on Vulcan will be prime Lorca. No need to cast a new actor.

Maybe it will be Lorca's wacky twin sister Gabriella who is the new captain? Gabriella will basically just be Jason Isaacs in a wig and a mrs doubtfire-like voice.
 
That's my interpretation of what happened. Fuller wanted her to literally fuck everything up - perhaps by deliberately killing the torchbearer, actually gaining control of the Shenzhou, firing first, and having the war being directly her fault. This was walked back by Goldman and Kurtzman, who were worried about having a protagonist who was so clearly in the wrong. So the prologue ended up in a strange in-between place. The war wasn't her fault, but she was blamed for it. Worse, the story seemed to imply that if everyone had just listened to her in the first place, none of this would have happened. That is to say, we're shown that the Federation tactic of continually demanding peaceful negotiations is what caused the Klingons to attack, whereas Burnham's "Vulcan hello" might have worked.

This framing particularly makes no sense because at the end of the season, Burnham learns that her initial fear and hatred towards Klingons is a bad thing. Yet it wasn't her fear and hatred that caused the war. It only caused her career to ruined - temporarily.

The “Vulcan Hello” scene made zero sense. Burnham reaching out to Sarek for advice made sense under the circumstances. After that we take a trip to logicless world when she literally decides to execute that advice in a totally different circumstance .Committing mutiny made no sense either- she might be an expert in Klingon culture via her family,but it’s a universal constant that shooting at someone is a great way to convince their friends to shoot back. It’s clear from the Klingon dialogue & subsequent planning T’Kuvma was gonna shoot no matter what the USS Shenzou did.

What should have happened; the torchbearer’s death provokes the Klingons to war ,and Burnham is sentenced to jail for 25 years due to violating Georgiou’s direct orders to observe the object and come back to base. That accomplishes the same narrative goals her mutineering did without the logical fails. She’s still justifiably ostracized by others for starting a devestating war,and she spends the rest of the season atoning for that mistake.

It seems to me the Discovery storyline had a defined (and better) plan, and it’s sitting on the cutting room floor. Perhaps we’ll know what it was someday.
 
Probably. The question is though - was PU Lorca killed/assassinated after he ended up in the MU?


Umm...that's how the word is now spelled in the 23rd century (due to Vulcanian influence on the English language.) ;)

Kinda like how the United Kingdom replaces 'z' with 's' in some words.

My point is the British can't spell, and neither can Discovery. :-)
 
*sigh* My review of "Will You Take My Hand."

Fair warning, this is a pretty negative review. There were so many things I disagreed with that I was apprehensive to even write about the episode. In my view, they didn't stick the landing. Here's hoping they do next year.

https://wp.me/p8wVHj-c9
 
Kinda like how the United Kingdom replaces 'z' with 's' in some words.

My point is the British can't spell, and neither can Discovery. :-)

USING AN S INSTEAD OF A Z IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO DAMNIT!

Every time I get a squiggly read line under a word like colonise or prioritise I smash a display case full of Enterprise's, both historical and current like Picard did in First Contact.
 
You mean the guys who wrote some of the best episodes of both DS9 and BSG?

Yes. Let's review what they wrote on DS9:

Rules of Engagement - Dumb Klingon law episode
The Assignment - Introduction to Pah Wraiths when Keiko is possessed by one.
Business as Usual - Fairly decent Quark episode
Sons and Daughters - Alexander comes back, Worf is still a terrible father. Oh, and stuff with Ziyal happens
One Little Ship - The shrunk runabout episode
Inquisition - Introduction of Section 31. Would have been a decent episode if it was left here.
The Reckoning - Another stupid Pah-Wraith episode, which culminates in a magic fight on the prominade. Sisko is out of character as he's willing to sacrifice his son for the will of the prophets.
Time's Orphan - The episode where Molly falls through a time portal and ages 10 years
Treachery, Faith, and the Great River - A legitimately good episode revolving around Weyoun/Odo (A plot) and Nog (B plot)
Prodigal Daughter - An absolutely abysmal attempt to round out Ezri by showing us her family.
Til Death Do Us Part - Forgettable second episode in the final ten-episode arc. Most notable for Dukat and Winn hooking up - and of course the Sisko wedding.
Extreme Measures - SLOAN'S BRAIN!!!!11!!11!1!!

From the looks of it, Weddle/Thomas are behind two of the worst aspects of DS9 - Section 31 and the Pah Wraiths. Most of the remainder of their episodes were just terrible concepts, and often bad at execution as well. I think they did two genuinely good episodes (Business as Usual and Treachery, Faith, and The Great River). But if I was going to pick the best writer on DS9, it was definitely Peter Allan Fields.
 
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