The best laid plans of Klingons and Terrans...
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"
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The best laid plans of Klingons and Terrans...
He's probably allergic to the chemicals! Or the Killy hair was a hologram...
Yeah, people who have no clue what Mary Sue actually means have hijacked it to suit their (usually misogynistic) needs, but I guess "evolved" is one way to describe it.
I wouldn't trust SFDebris' opinion on why shit stinks, let alone what qualifies as a Mary Sue.
PS: has anyone run an IP trace on kane_steel to check he isn't a Feron dual? It could just be a case of small minds thinking alike, but the Mary Sue/SJW schtick is remarkably similar.
PS: has anyone run an IP trace on kane_steel to check he isn't a Feron dual? It could just be a case of small minds thinking alike, but the Mary Sue/SJW schtick is remarkably similar.
I hate to be a cynic, but I feel in general writers can only write a character as smart as they are or dumber. This is why many shows have characters make rookie mistakes and/or do very obviously dumb things. It's just much easier to come up with a reason why someone with poorer foresight than yourself makes a mistake than trying to think through scenarios which would stymie even you.
It's also the reason why (early) Game of Thrones was so good. They pillaged GRRM books rather than write the scripts themselves, and GRRM was smart enough to write about schemers who were competent enough to pull it off with aplomb. As soon as they ran out of books, the show's IQ dropped by 20 points however.
No, just no man. Best SW movie ever?? Fanboy demon wants. to. engage. must. not. let. it. control. me
We are going to have to agree to disagree on it being a good SW film let alone a good film. That's not to say that it had no redeeming qualities. The cinematography is beautiful, and i think Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver are great.
They almost remind me of that tidbit from the Star Wars Expanded Universe when many Imperial flag officers complain after the Battle of Yavin that the Death Star was the dumbest idea imaginable and the only thing it got them was the loss of an enormous amount of resources and time that would've been much better spent building new Star Destroyers that have already proven to be effective.
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Also, don't call people out as trolls or duals. If you have suspicions of something, notify on the post and let the mods handle it.
And Kane Steel predates Feron posting here by about a decade, so no, he's not a dual.
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Well, I will allow that Empire is also excellent. I just like Rey a lot more than Luke. But the rest of the SW franchise has never been very good, honestly.
LOL. Burnham is Black but certainly not strong, at least not in any believable way that isn't contrived.
I'll link this vid on why Burnham is a Mary Sue to you as well;
https://www.sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/c103.php
And your comments about gender/race determining this are hilarious. There's a job at Buzzfeed waiting for you I'm sure.
Probably because others agree. I've found plenty, plenty of YT reviews and videos on why the Mary Sue Burnham character sucks. Just do a simple search and you'll see the criticisms are valid.
Just plain old fashioned EXCELENT. Really enjoyed all of it, start to finish.
At first I was wondering how come the Emporer seemed to have so few guards on her throne ship, then remembered that Lorca had gassed and killed nearly all of them. The ensuing battle was just glorious. Folks getting disintegrated and stabbed to death left and right. I did enjoy seeing the normally mute bridge crew get some attention even if that meant the unceremonious obliteration of MU Owosekun by Georgiou. Loved Michelle's sword wielding.
Appears Lorca was right about destiny driving certain people together no matter the universe, as Georgiou and Burnham continue their bond in the MU fighting side by side just as they had in the PU on the T'Kuvma's ship. Only this time, Phillipa doesn't die. That was a surprise, having her beam off the Charon with Michael. Lorca referring to her by the nickname "Pippa", was a cute moment even though he was using it in a mocking way.
I'm officially on Team Saru after this episode. I wasn't a big fan of the character (though I loved Doug Jones' portrayal), but he won me over the way he took command of Discovery. And as another poster mentioned further upthread, his referring to Burnham as "my friend" is, IMO, the feel good moment of the series so far.
Gonna miss Lorca. It is a bit disappointing that his surliness turns out to have an explanation. I was hoping that this was just the way the guy was. Regardless, Isaacs did a great job with the part and Lorca will go down as one of the most popular, enigmatic, and controversial characters in Trek lore. With this character, DSC has done something none of the other series' or movies has done.
Speaking of Lorca, how is it that some of the people who complained about his being too much of a "meany" to be Starfleet are some of the same people who are now complaining that he ISN'T Starfleet, but an MU inhabitant? I mean, isn't that what you all wanted, either he gets "nicer" or not be Starfleet, right? I'm confused.
Great ending. How does Georgiou get back to the MU? Is the ISS Disco back in the MU? Where is PU Lorca? Was he killed on the Buran?
Best first season of Trek, ever.
At first I was wondering how come the Emporer seemed to have so few guards on her throne ship, then remembered that Lorca had gassed and killed nearly all of them. The ensuing battle was just glorious. Folks getting disintegrated and stabbed to death left and right. I did enjoy seeing the normally mute bridge crew get some attention even if that meant the unceremonious obliteration of MU Owosekun by Georgiou. Loved Michelle's sword wielding.
Appears Lorca was right about destiny driving certain people together no matter the universe, as Georgiou and Burnham continue their bond in the MU fighting side by side just as they had in the PU on the T'Kuvma's ship. Only this time, Phillipa doesn't die. That was a surprise, having her beam off the Charon with Michael. Lorca referring to her by the nickname "Pippa", was a cute moment even though he was using it in a mocking way.
I'm officially on Team Saru after this episode. I wasn't a big fan of the character (though I loved Doug Jones' portrayal), but he won me over the way he took command of Discovery. And as another poster mentioned further upthread, his referring to Burnham as "my friend" is, IMO, the feel good moment of the series so far.
Gonna miss Lorca. It is a bit disappointing that his surliness turns out to have an explanation. I was hoping that this was just the way the guy was. Regardless, Isaacs did a great job with the part and Lorca will go down as one of the most popular, enigmatic, and controversial characters in Trek lore. With this character, DSC has done something none of the other series' or movies has done.
Speaking of Lorca, how is it that some of the people who complained about his being too much of a "meany" to be Starfleet are some of the same people who are now complaining that he ISN'T Starfleet, but an MU inhabitant? I mean, isn't that what you all wanted, either he gets "nicer" or not be Starfleet, right? I'm confused.
Great ending. How does Georgiou get back to the MU? Is the ISS Disco back in the MU? Where is PU Lorca? Was he killed on the Buran?
Best first season of Trek, ever.
I agree. Star Wars is literally two decent films and a lot of shite. In my (possibly biased) opinion, Star Trek has a far better hit rate, and that just the films.
I didn't think TLJ was a great film, but it was definitely not what I was expecting. After six highly derivative films, that was something in itself.
Gender should never be an excuse for subpar writing and characterization, and forced expository dialogue used to elevate a mediocre.character.
And I get that. But I still say that for the franchise to continue Trek has to be on TV. Trek cannot survive as a Movie only property. And for Trek to remain on TV it has to evolve, it has to change. We do not tell stories the same way we told them in 1967 or 1996. For Trek to remain relevant it has to tell modern stories, in a modern way, while still remains true to the ethos the series represents. Discovery does that...
You know those searches are based on what you watch/read/search for, right? They come up first for you because you like them. It's built in confirmation bias.
He did have a sword shoved through his heart, didn't he? I wondered what his breastplate was for when he kept taking punches to the gut and then got speared.
Or maybe some are just overly defensive and insecure about her because of her race/gender. That kind of grouping of individuals is a two-way street.
I've praised previous female characters in Trek already, but Mary Sue Burnham doesn't deserve the same treatment. The divisiveness on her isn't a gender/race issue. It really comes down to the characterization, writing, performance and direction of the series that the producers are pushing for.
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