Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"
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I did wonder if that was significant, although I wondered if it was Culber.
Totally agree here... except for that last sentence. I have two reasons:
1) Objectively, Star Wars movies have never been particularly good at clear, well-paced, plausible, logically coherent storytelling. That's just not what they do. They really don't even try.
2) Subjectively, I have no personal sentimental attachment to Star Wars like I do to Star Trek, so I just don't have it in me to care that much. (Kind of like JJ Abrams' attitude toward Trek, I suspect.) Hence, I found The Last Jedi to be at least as good as any SW picture I've seen before, and better than some.
I could buy that. I could even buy the foreshadowing that he was from the MU. But that doesn't mean they couldn't have just treated post-reveal Lorca as an antagonist rather than a villain... the two are not the same thing!... much less that they had to toss him the idiot ball.
That's interesting. Any clue what Fuller's idea for Lorca actually was?
Eek. I cringe just reading that. It's not territory that Trek has ever done very well... nor does it need to be, since the show is science fiction, not fantasy, and unlike Star Wars works just fine without any sort of spiritualism... and it's especially not territory that I think these writers have the capability to handle with any nuance.
(What's the source for this? Any details?)
You can say that again. (And I'm sure we'll have occasion to.)
Hmm. Eschaton, I think a lot of your posts are insightful, but either you're missing the mark with this comparison or I'm just a huge outlier... because I love comics and have yet to see a Marvel movie I haven't enjoyed (well, okay, Hulk was kinda boring), but OTOH I was thoroughly disappointed with last night's episode of Discovery.
And further undermining the comparison, here's the flip side!...
And then there's this...
KS, I'm with you until that final sentence. I think the MCU films stand on their own merits, and they have done a terrific job of worldbuilding while still being thematically distinct. I think DSC has been a mixed bag and fallen short of that standard, with last night a particular low point.
BUT I still don't know why you have this stick in your craw about a "sociopolitical agenda," or where you're even getting it from. In fact, I think DSC would be a better show if it actually had considerably more of a sociopolitical agenda. Specifically, as McDuff puts it...
Hear, hear.
Really? More info? Link?
Yeah, I noticed and liked that too!
It's just bizarre to me that you can write that sentence and frame it as a good thing.
Utter bollocks. The first two articles have absolutely nothing to do with the latter two. This is like saying that because black holes are based on real science and because there is real science about behaviour of anteaters, then an idea of black holes being giant spaceborne anteaters is based on real science.
Laugh all you want but it has. Q, Gary Mitchell, Vulcan super powers and all sorts of pseudo science BS are "midochlorians".
The Mary Sue definition has evolved a lot since then. Rey qualifies, and Mary-Sue Burnham definitely qualifies.
See this video on Burnham being a Mary-Sue;
https://www.sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/c103.php
maybe it's a cartoon conscience thingy. she's got both their souls in her uniform. The next time Tilly thinks about telling someone that seats are assigned so she wont have to share space with them, A tiny Culber pops up in his white uniform on her left side all Jiminy Cricket, "Ah ah ah. Honesty is the best policy, Tilly!" and then Lorca in his Imperial gear pops up on the left side and sneers "That got your neck popped, doc. Don't listen to him Killy. Assigned seats it is"
Sentient Alien Spore Networks can lie and deceive, so that would be a rather stupid way for them to go.
I agree. If this is the last we see of him it will be a shame, but even if it is he's been the shining light of season 1.
The Gorn were a third rate power. The Cardassians were always presented as a near-pier to the Federation -- maybe not as large in size, but capable of going head-to-head with Starfleet in battle.
And DS9 introduced the Breen, who were supposed to be powerful enough to strike the heart of the Federation with ease despite never being mentioned before, and let's not forget the Xindi attack on Florida ...
And that's not even touching on the fact that many fans have long assumed there was a major scuffle with the Klingons at some point prior to TOS.
Except no. There is a difference between something being like midochlorians in story telling function and something actually being midochlorians. The Mycelial Network has been turned into basically the same thing as midochlorians, magic particles that permeate all of the multiverse and allow it to exist. That is a whole new level of pseudoscience BS than just having a human with telekinetic powers or Vulcans who can read minds.
No they weren't... A single outdated Federation vessel was capable of taking on multiple Cardassian warships and winning.
The bees are dying, and when they are dead, so are we.
Same level BS. It's magic pretending to be science.
Well let me put it this way: There is pseudoscience I am ok with and pseudoscience I am not ok with.
On after trek the writer (sorry would have to lookup his name) said "Now that Jason is no longer on the show" then immediately corrected himself "I mean no longer on After Trek" as in he just went off the air. The flub seemed to indicate he didn't want to say the words "Jason is off the show".
The producers and others affiliated with this show have mentioned their political stances and it's relation to the direction of the series in press junkets before. It's no secret.
They are certainly aiming to elevate specific characters of gender and sexual orientation as heroes while intentionally bringing down others. Some would call it equity. It might have worked if the writing was stronger and more intelligent, and the characters (specifically Mary-Sue Burnham) were more likeable, but it doesn't.
Sisko might actually be my favourite of the Captains, but Burnham/Sonequa certainly doesn't deserve to be the lead character of this series. Her being positioned as such does more damage to STD than good.
I don't think she's particularly divisive. It only seems to be the kind of people who pepper their criticism with terms like "Mary Sue" and "SJW" who have such a visceral dislike of Burnham or Sonequa Martin-Green.
I wonder why...
and a single Bird of Prey can take down a state of the art Federation star ship.
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