Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x13 - "What's Past Is Prologue"

[Kane_Steel]

That one woman was trained in Vulcan Martial Arts and the other was Michelle “Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon” Yeoh! Seriously, the woman could kick all our asses. And you could tell she was holding back to make Jason Issacs not look bad,

But yeah, he got beat up by a couple of girls...

Well they wanted to make Lorca look weak intentionally, and they succeeded. It wasn't just that he was physically-bested, he was also outsmarted after only like 30 minutes of playing his generic villain self. He was a terrible villain, and fell easily.

Ultimately, like many and said and will continue to say in the future.. it was a waste of Jason Isaacs. All for the sake of the divisive Mary-Sue Burnham.

 

[MarsWeeps]

Which means no matter what the network would be destroyed across the entire multiverse and TOS and all future series couldn't have happened.

Or it could just mean that Stamets' theory was wrong.

 

[eschaton]

Dukat had several seasons of greatness. Probably one of my favourite antagonists in Trek. Such great chemistry with Brooks and Visitor.

What did Lorca have? 30 minutes of playing a generic, forgettable villain... and then he was defeated so easily by Crouching Tiger, Hidden Burnham?

Sadly Lorca was such a forgettable villain that I bet the STD fans who stick around won't even care about him by next season.

Yeah. I've been someone who has thought Discovery has had flaws, but promise. But this episode (which was originally intended as the end of the series, before the final two were tacked on) is meant to be the denouement of the season, and it's just so underwhelming - like a forgettable action movie.

 

[Push The Button]

RIP Captain/Emperor Lorca, the most interesting Discovery character so far, and condolences on such a disappointing exit.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I mentioned on another thread earlier today that I hated what DS9 did with Dukat from Waltz on, basically destroying his complexity as a character to make him into a one-note, mustache-twirling villain.

What Discovery did to Lorca was even worse than that.

Yup.

As I noted above, this might go down as a really bad move -- unless of course, Isaacs didn't want to commit to another season, then they didn't have a choice.

The only thing, though, is no one knows what happens when you get eaten but the nuclear reactor Super Saiyan Spore Sphere of Sparkage.

 

[thribs]

It was nice to see the Discovery actually move for once but I was confused as to what he meant by saying to keep the ship at warp. Was he just circling the area at warp waiting for the call? Because that shouldn’t really be possible.

 

[Maestro]

So, in the end, Crappy Clarinet Concerto Man spews technobabble and ginger Wesley with tits saves them all.

 

[Jadeb]

Yeah. I've been someone who has thought Discovery has had flaws, but promise. But this episode (which was originally intended as the end of the series, before the final two were tacked on) is meant to be the denouement of the season, and it's just so underwhelming - like a forgettable action movie.

Yeah, that's exactly how I'm feeling. I kept hanging on, kept trying to give it the benefit of the doubt despite finding a lot of faults in the writing. But this was ... a big disappointment.

 

[ISS-Magnum]

Make the Empire glorious again.

Jan 27, 2018 at 6:08 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, say 'good bye' to Lorca. He is 100 percent dead meat. You just can't say those words today on TV and remain alive and well.

Sleep well, sweet prince.

Amen to that.

So obvious, so predictable...

 

[NeoStar9]

It was nice to see the Discovery actually move for once but I was confused as to what he meant by saying to keep the ship at warp. Was he just circling the area at warp waiting for the call? Because that shouldn’t really be possible.

Why wouldn't it be? Warp is just allowing for faster travel. You still have to plot a course, etc. Why not do one that is circular in nature but near your intended destination? What would actually stop that?

 

[Captain Killy]

What makes Mirror Georgiou any more worth saving than Mirror Lorca?

She has honor...

 

[Fateor]

Why wouldn't it be? Warp is just allowing for faster travel. You still have to plot a course, etc. Why not do one that is circular in nature but near your intended destination? What would actually stop that?

Because you can't turn when traveling at Warp.

 

[eschaton]

Infinite does not mean every possibility. There are only a finite number of possible states for quantum particles to exist, and it could very well mean that in none of them is the mycelial network destroyed.

Even if there are a finite number of quantum states, it still means that everything which is physically possible should occur somewhere. After all, even if you talk about a single universe, if it is infinite in scope everything allowed by the laws of physics would occur somewhere, even if unbelievably distant. Add to this a multiverse, and the number of possibilities go up an absurd number of orders of magnitude.

It's more likely that this mycelial network only connects a small number of universes (maybe xillions, but most don't have sentient, jump-capable life), and would only destroy life in those connected universes.

This is possible, but that was not what the technobabble of the week told us. You're using your head-canon here to square bad writing.

Remember where Stamets got that information from.

I am guessing the Network is sentient, so not wanting to die it impersonated Stamet's recently dead boyfriend and lied to him about network and the effects of it dying so that the Discovery would do everything in it's power up to sacrificing itself to keep the network alive.

I like this idea better, but I'm not sure if they're going to go there.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Also, it's important to distinguish and/or emphasize that Lorca isn't the villain here. He was ultimately just a foil - an important semantic distinction. As such, he was perfectly serviceable. Mostly.

 

[Push The Button]

So, in the end, Crappy Clarinet Concerto Man spews technobabble and ginger Wesley with tits saves them all.

At least Tilly had to attend a few classes at SFA before they let her touch anything important, Wesley was like 12 and they were letting him fly the damn ship.

 

[Tim Thomason]

RIP Gabriel Lorca Augustus Iaponius Americus Centaurus, Emperor of Terra, Overlord of Vulcan, Dominus of Qo'noS, Rex Andor, Defeater of Giorgiou, the 20-minute Emperor (2203-2257).

 

[thribs]

Why wouldn't it be? Warp is just allowing for faster travel. You still have to plot a course, etc. Why not do one that is circular in nature but near your intended destination? What would actually stop that?

It’s been stated that you can really go at warp in a straight line, with only the very slightest of deviations. I’d imagine the circle arounfd the area would have to be pretty big.
Also, ships are supposed to be detectable at warp, so it shouldn’t really have worked. Probably getting their Star Wars and Star Trek lore confused again.

 

[ClintDagger]

I’ve been in the majority all along... Until now. 4/10 for me. MU Georgiou is completely irredeemable until... Oh wait now we’re cool with her. Lorca turns out to be a cardboard cutout, mustache twirling villain. The backstory on what happened to him in the MU and how ended up in the PU was revealed through forced exposition and was “accidental” which is disappointing. I thought the Stamets/Culber “use the force Luke” moment was cringe. And now after hopefully being able to move on from the Klingons we are right back to square one (at best).

The positives... Great action, good acting, good effects. Just disappointed with the wrap up. Still love the show. Just found that tonight rendered a lot of what we’ve seen in the first 12 episodes meaningless.

 

[eschaton]

Yeah, that's exactly how I'm feeling. I kept hanging on, kept trying to give it the benefit of the doubt despite finding a lot of faults in the writing. But this was ... a big disappointment.

I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, given the end of the Lorca arc was handled with all the subtlety and nuance of the "end" of the Tyler/Voq act. But I really hope they engage in a great purge of the writers room for the next season. They don't need to bring on old Trek hands, but they need someone better than the hacks they have now.

 

[Mudd]

They do anything they fucking want to at warp - always have. If they ever said otherwise it was because the needed it as a plot point one week.