Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"

[eschaton]

This is a minor issue, but in retrospect, I hate how the Klingon sarcophagus ship appeared to not move around in space at all. It made me wonder why cracking the cloak was even needed at all, because all the Discovery needed to do was fire a spread of photon torpedoes exactly where it was before it cloaked, and they'd hit it.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

I thought the same thing.

 

[Mage]

My take was Stamets had a seizure mid jump.

Oh yeah, I agree. Just because he thought he could, doesn't mean he did it right.

 

[Mage]

but Lorca being Voq makes a hell of a lot more sense than Tyler. For one thing, killing Kol has been Voq's primary motive this entire time

We were introduced to Lorca while Voq was still around and being stranded on the Shenzou.

 

[dahj]

We were introduced to Lorca while Voq was still around and being stranded on the Shenzou.

I think that particular theory supposes a switcheroo was made during Lorca's incarceration.
Can't say I see it as plausible either way.

 

[Kor]

What did Tilly say during the wonky jump? "It reads as a.... something something navigational something"... does her line give us any insight as to what happened?

She said, "The computer is reading it as an incomplete navigation sequence." I don't think that gives any real insight as to what happened.

Kor

 

[Mach5]

A quick count:

1x01 "The Vulcan Hello" - 6.65 (393 votes)
1x02 "Battle at the Binary Stars" - 7.41 (311)
1x03 "Context is for Kings" - 7.52 (369)
1x04 "The Butcher's Knife Cares Not for the Lamb's Cry" - 7.29 (330)
1x05 "Choose Your Pain" - 7.84 (326)
1x06 "Lethe" - 7.85 (297)
1x07 "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" - 7.65 (330)
1x08 "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" - 7.17 (259)
1x09 "Into the Forest I Go" - 8.98 (194)

 

[Gonzo]

Last episode before the break is sounding good so far, haven't watched it yet will do so tomorrow probably, decided not to read through all the thread to keep some surprise.

Discovery so far has been far better than Enterprise ever was.

 

[SJA]

Great ep! Bit torn about Tyler - seems obvious he's Voq or been turned Manchurian Candidate with his memories/trigger effect! Hopefully they can somehow rehabilitate him into staying a regular crew-member -otherwise the only ones left on board as regulars will by Tilly and Lorca's tribble at this rate! Bit bizarre this ep's RT score is lower than last weeks -but that is RT! Far better pacing and editing than last week - Also the way that Isaacs pronounced 'home' and the look in his eye when he ordered the ship to jump- suggests to me he may indeed by from the MU or at the very least have some desire to go there...

 

[Crazy Eddie]

This is a minor issue, but in retrospect, I hate how the Klingon sarcophagus ship appeared to not move around in space at all. It made me wonder why cracking the cloak was even needed at all, because all the Discovery needed to do was fire a spread of photon torpedoes exactly where it was before it cloaked, and they'd hit it.

The Ship of the Dead is big and clumsy and not particularly maneuverable. It's a dreadnaught, not a fighter plane.

But defeating the Ship of the Dead wasn't the purpose of this mission. They needed data on the cloaking device, which would allow them to track EVERY OTHER Klingon ship in the galaxy. This wasn't a fight so much as it was an espionage operation; blowing up the ship of the dead was just the icing on the cake.

 

[Refuge]

Though I'm one to love conversations revolving around specific definitions,

we aren't in a court, and this is a future society, not ours. I think most of us know that the definition of these things are changing with the times, and though the laws may be backwards, most people know better and most of us know what this means.

if Ash and L'Rell were to go back in time and he were to press charges, I get it

but it's still a fictional future. I for one would call that rape.

I agree with you here Geek. If it needs to be defined as a legal word to make the abuse something else, and it worries me that in doing so that lessens the impact on a male victim who probably did have his penis used in the act, then I'm okay with using the word rape to describe L'Rell plundering her captive's body and stripping him of consent. As of how the story played out he was the victim.

 

[saladdays]

What did Tilly say during the wonky jump? "It reads as a.... something something navigational something"... does her line give us any insight as to what happened?

I believe she said something like the computer logged it as an incomplete jump or something like that.

 

[Refuge]

To address some points that were raised about my post.



Rape is a crime (in the UK) that requires a penis to commit it -
A penetrates B's vagina, anus or mouth with his penis
B does not consent
A does not reasonably believe that B consents.
Citation: S.1 Sexual Offences Act 2003

That is not to say that what is happening with L'Rell and Tyler is not an offence or not wrong, but the point raised was that the show avoided the word 'rape'. As the discussion was language use, I was merely suggesting that what was seen was not 'rape' in many jurisdictions external to the US.

Did you notice it wasn't the UK?

 

[Ithekro]

That depends...was he Voq on the Ship of the Dead at the time of those memories? Cause Voq seemed to have that on his mind from time to time. And they were trapped for six months.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

Did you notice it wasn't the UK?

It isn't uncommon to frame a show based on our understanding of a word. I think it's a wonderful cultural discussion,

how do we define or discuss rape, when it's onto a man in a fictional future? Someone with legal knowledge of the UK knows it's a horrible act but knows it doesn't fit the definition of rape,

I didn't know this, in the USA I assumed it was the same as Cult stated, but here apparently It could be considered rape. Its interesting because almost everywhere sexual assault unto males is under reported, and forcible rape of a male by a female is as well, even if accurately reported I'm willing to bet it's fairly rare.

Let alone, rape of a male of one race, by a female of another race, amid what is possibly, a great deal of political subterfuge.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Did you notice it wasn't the UK?

I'm sure he did.

 

[GeekUSACarl]

That depends...was he Voq on the Ship of the Dead at the time of those memories? Cause Voq seemed to have that on his mind from time to time. And they were trapped for six months.

I'm betting he is recalling a mix of both.

 

[Jax]

Discovery so far has been far better than Enterprise ever was.

Even more than ENT S4 (minus TATV) ?

 

[Mr Awe]

I'm four minutes in and Lorca's characterization is completely different (and much more likable) than he's been all season. Where the hell has this version of him been?

After defeating the Ship of the Dead and the cloaking algorithm, Lorca is finally able to see a bit past the war, at least briefly. Previously, his full attention was on winning the war and he wasn't affording himself the luxury of looking past it. He did in this episode and that is what we're seeing. Unless of course it was just to manipulate Stamets to do all those jumps!

 

[Mage]

I think that particular theory supposes a switcheroo was made during Lorca's incarceration.
Can't say I see it as plausible either way.

Yeah...... No. If Lorca was Voq, and actually has control over the coordinates where they jump to, this baby would be in Klingon hands already.