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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"

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Klingon blood is naturally red, but several attempts at curing the augment virus (of which the Discovery Klingons are a major subsection) turned Klingon blood into various colors: purple, mainly, and later pinkish. Later, after a true cure is found (and not just genetic monstrosities like in Discovery or the surgical alterations we see in the TOS movies), Klingon blood is restored to its proper color prior to the TNG era.

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And that's the problem I have. Heck, Col. Worf even said that Col. West's blood wasn't Klingon, presumably based solely on the colour. So, yeah, there's all sorts of canon problems, either way you look. If it's red, then a major plot point of TUC makes no sense. If it's dark pink or lavender, what about all the times it was red?

My point, though, was that the blood in that scene looked identical to the blood that came out of a human body, even though that one shot that I saw had albino skin. Given that Vulcan blood has undergone several different tint changes--green, lime green, whatever--we cannot be sure that what we were seeing was, indeed, what actually happened. It might have been, for all we know, L'Rell attempting to brainwash Ash after whatever happened to Voq failed. Maybe the original intent was to use the augment virus or something like that, to make a more human-seeming infiltrator. Maybe it failed and she had Tyler left and came up with Plan B. Perhaps she tried to implant Voq's...consciousness? katra analogue?...into Tyler, with mixed results. Then we'd see these weird flashbacks with Tyler/Voq "seeing" a torture scene from a subjective POV. Tyler would see it has him being tortured and the remnants of Voq would see it as him being carved up.

But, yeah, Klingon blood has a varied history, colour-wise. I'm not sure if they're using that to their advantage--the writers--and they've made the decision to muddy the waters or it's just one of those things that only Trekkers would care about and they made a mistake.

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Voq has red blood. Full stop.
 
Not really understanding the gushing for this episode. Liked it - didn't love it - another 7 from me. Highpoint was the burial ship being taken out. Lowpoint was the Burnham fight scene - I don't know, it felt like the writers just needed to service the plot - need more time, so have the badass Klingon warrior take his time with her. Overall i enjoyed it, just not as much as I hoped to.
 
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Voq is aberrant in a way that has not been completely explained to us.

How he bleeds could be very unusual.

Indeed. As I said, it could be some sort of "double agent" type situation, where Voq was originally human, was turned into a Klingon, and then converted back into a human again. But seeing human-looking blood on albino skin in no way disproves the Tyler=Voq hypothesis.
 
For the third time!

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Voq has red blood. Full stop.

Explain the ending of TUC, then.

I get it. I see it, too. But if Klingon blood is canonically red, you cannot explain the ending of TUC. What we see places two canon pieces of evidence against one another. You can prefer one over the other, sure, and we all know there are times in TOS when, shall we say, they were a little loose with canon (mostly uniform errors) but if Klingon blood was always red and never anything else, Col. Worf's comment makes no sense at all.

All I'm saying is that it is an issue that is unresolved. That is all. For whatever reason--and, hell, TUC had at least two shades of Klingon blood!--we have a difference in blood that isn't explained by what you see! Unless Col. Worf was talking about texture--which would be odd, but what the hell? Why not?--he was referring to the colour he saw seeping out of Col. West's mask.
 
Indeed. As I said, it could be some sort of "double agent" type situation, where Voq was originally human, was turned into a Klingon, and then converted back into a human again. But seeing human-looking blood on albino skin in no way disproves the Tyler=Voq hypothesis.

Huh. That would be an interesting twist, that's for certain. I actually like that one. A lot. A whole lot.
 
Not really understanding the gushing for this episode. Liked it - didn't love it - another 7 from me. Highpoint was the burial ship being taken out. Lowpoint was the Burnham fight scene - I don't know, it felt like the writers just needed to service the plot - need more time, so have the badass Klingon warrior take his time with her. Overall i enjoyed it, just not as much as I hoped to.

If we were being realistic, there is no way a woman who looked like SMG would defeat any human male in hand-to-hand combat the size of Kenneth Mitchell, let alone a Klingon, as they are canonically much stronger than humans.

Of course, that never stopped Trek from having humans win hand-to-hand combat with Klingons in the past, and those scenes were usually terribly choreographed.
 
Explain the ending of TUC, then.

I get it. I see it, too. But if Klingon blood is canonically red, you cannot explain the ending of TUC. What we see places two canon pieces of evidence against one another. You can prefer one over the other, sure, and we all know there are times in TOS when, shall we say, they were a little loose with canon (mostly uniform errors) but if Klingon blood was always red and never anything else, Col. Worf's comment makes no sense at all.

All I'm saying is that it is an issue that is unresolved. That is all. For whatever reason--and, hell, TUC had at least two shades of Klingon blood!--we have a difference in blood that isn't explained by what you see! Unless Col. Worf was talking about texture--which would be odd, but what the hell? Why not?--he was referring to the colour he saw seeping out of Col. West's mask.

It's not just a question of TOS though. Berman-era Trek showed Klingons with injuries, and the rituals where Klingons cut their own hands with a dagger. They always bled red. Not to mention blood wine (which is presumably named that because it's the color of Klingon blood) is red, not pink or purple. So it's really TUC against the entire remainder of Trek canon.
 
This episode also keeps alive the Mirror Lorca theory. Or at least that Lorca is from a parallel universe. He has an interesting line where he says “time to go home”. IMO he said it in a bit of a peculiar way that maybe he’s trying to go back to his “home” or universe. Also he has been studying ways to jump to different parallel universes.

Yeah, and did he do something with his console right before the jump?
 
So this is the end of Kol?

I have to say those sensors they planted on the Klingon ship were too big. I would have expected something small and not easily detectable, but I guess it didn't matter at the end.

Great episode!!

Yeah, they were kinda big, but it looked like they were going to stay there until the mission was completed, so it didn't need to be hidden.
 
Indeed. As I said, it could be some sort of "double agent" type situation, where Voq was originally human, was turned into a Klingon, and then converted back into a human again. But seeing human-looking blood on albino skin in no way disproves the Tyler=Voq hypothesis.

We met Voq's daddy in the pilot.

Very klingon, and very disappointed.
 
Seriously, I just don't get it. It's like Lorca does something nice and/or heroic and people are like "OMG, look at how manipulative he is!"played villains up until now?
I think that is probably a factor, as well as what I said a little upthread: Lorca is an anti-Picard.
For those who view Picard as the exemplar of what a Star Trek Captain is supposed to be like, Lorca must be very jarring.
Picard has a refined English accent, Lorca a Southern drawl. And for those who sided with Jean Luc in the Picard/Kirk debates, Lorca is even more of a maverick and morally grey than Kirk ever was.
Add to all of that his tendency to be abrasively blunt when he's under pressure, and that just gets some folks inclined to hate him.
 
My second 10 (which I goofed on with a 9) since Lethe, I think. Beautifully shot and scored, noticeably so. 2-3 rewatches in order. Nicely written as well--a fully on male to male smooch to boot...! With all the damned "finding its space legs" talk about previous Treks, this one appears to be walking just fine already.

Gonna be an interesting 6 episodes upcoming.
 
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