Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x02 - "Battle at the Binary Stars"

[LocutusCrusher]

Only guy I found:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm8856297/

I'm actually wondering if Lorca could be Voq…

So I've been thinking... (Because, you know, I certainly wasn't working.) I don't think Georgiou and T'Kuvma are dead dead.

I think they're setting up that Klingon ship as having some kind of "mystical" (for lack of a better term) power - like the caskets and ceremonial "transition" play more into a literal translation of Sto-vo-kor. Certainly the concept of some kind of non-corporeal ethereal realm isn't new to Star Trek.

And the show has already proven it's willing to dive into the metaphysical.

I thought the choice at the end to leave Georgiou body on the ship seem oddly specific and beyond any thematic purpose.

Plus there's there all the talk about "a new way to fly" and even what of the Klingon guys said something about traversing the galaxy. (And maybe there's a reason that group thought the Kuvah'magh was in Delta.) Which would parallel the bit about Sarek using his Katra over a great distance.

So what if it turns out the Klingons (and Georgiou) "spirits" are being displaced to the other side of the galaxy and are exiting as some kind of transphasic entity. similar to "Emanations."

I definitely agree about Georgiou. I don't think we've seen the last of her. Chronologically, even.

 

[Campe]

I'm actually wondering if Lorca could be Voq…

Definitely thought about Lorca too but Tyler seems to be the perfect fit. POW. Just came back. PTSD. Develops relationship with Burnham. Perfect opportunity for betrayal of our lead.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why
Were
The
Klingons
Talking
So
Stilted
Like
This?

Making sure their teeth stay in.

 

[EnderAKH]

Well, I agree with you totally! On the show, I loved it also. Saru was great, I can't believe how well that expository prey-species backstory dialogue played. (Though I did keep thinking: damn, Doug Jones is such a unique physicality, this is going to be tough on the casting people if we someday need more Kelpian characters that fit with his look)

I also loved the dynamic between Burnham, Saru and Georgiou. Between Burnham's quasi-Vulcanism, Saru's survival pragmatism and Georgiou's command experience, I hope we get more flashbacks to that as we move forward. They had great chemistry together as a command team.

I haven't perceived the consensus to be as negative, though... maybe I am employing my scrolling finger more aggressively. I am starting to see one great plus to having to pay for CBSAA -- those that really hate it will not pay and thus not be able to post overly negative rants.

It's entirely possible I am getting more sensitive to is as I get older, and I just want to enjoy things. Craig Mazin has a thing he's been trying called Positive Moviegoing, and it is kind of where my headspace is at lately:

Well, it’s this thing I’ve been thinking about lately because this is the time of year when all the so-called “good” movies come out. And a lot of them are actually good movies. But I noticed that there’s — I think it’s just we live in a time of snarkiness and suspicion and nobody seems to want to like anything. People a lot of times go into theaters with their arms crossed, especially in Los Angeles. We’re all in the business. And I think people go to movies and they’re already — they’re demanding to hate them. And they’re prejudging them. And you could do it for — you name any movie and I could just sort of come up with some pretext for hating it.

And so what I really have been trying to do is when I go to movie to go wanting to love it. And accepting everything about it for at least 20 minutes. So, I don’t care what happens in the first twenty minutes. I am on board. I will accept it and I will attempt to enjoy it as best I can. I will give myself to the movie.

And then at some point, okay, you know, listen, sometimes you just don’t like movies. Sometimes they disappoint. Sometimes they anger you because you hate them so much. And that’s okay. I’m not denying that that can happen. But I’ve really been trying to just give myself over to movies.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I'm fighting a sinus infection, so I'll write more later about these episodes, but has anyone addressed (SPOILER)


Why there were no Connies in the Starfleet ships coming for backup? This is a big combat situation. Why no Heavy Cruisers?

 

[Michael]

Why there were no Connies in the Starfleet ships coming for backup? This is a big combat situation. Why no Heavy Cruisers?

Because it would be distracting?

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

I give both episodes a 7. I liked them, but had more issues than I'd hoped.There's not really anything for me to add that others haven't already said but I'm in the following camps:

I really liked C3PO Saru, and was surprised about this (seemed daft in the trailers).

I felt the life sentence seemed a little too harsh, and the shady trial rather dodgy. It seems to me like an intentional hiding of who was there, with plans of an eventual reveal.

I really didn't like the remote connection between Sarek and Michael... I thought it was a fine idea, IF it was just part of him left behind that was communicating, but the suggestion that it took a lot out of him was suggesting a direct communication. At the moment, I'm still hoping that a suggestion is all it is, and that is only a remnant that is communicating with her/her own mind's coping mechanism.

 

[Campe]

I'm fighting a sinus infection, so I'll write more later about these episodes, but has anyone addressed (SPOILER)


Why there were no Connies in the Starfleet ships coming for backup? This is a big combat situation. Why no Heavy Cruisers?

There are 12 Connies at the time of TOS, probably fewer in 2256. Space is a big place. They were all the only ship... in other sectors.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Because it would be distracting?

Also, I'm fairly confident they're saving that one for a special occasion.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm fighting a sinus infection, so I'll write more later about these episodes, but has anyone addressed (SPOILER)


Why there were no Connies in the Starfleet ships coming for backup? This is a big combat situation. Why no Heavy Cruisers?

1) They were in the Laurentian System
2) Starfleet Regulations limit the Heavy Cruisers to one per quadrant.

 

[Jadeb]

This one was much better than the first, and that was frustrating. If they'd added the first 10 minutes of this one to the end of the previous, the episode CBS broadcast to attract new audiences might actually have done so. Splitting them like they did just seems incompetent. I'm kinda shocked CBS didn't crack the whip and tell the production team to devise an introduction that could be compelling in the available airtime.
That said, even if you look at the first two episodes as one story, it's still a mess. Michael's character is all over the place, to the point that she seems desperately in need of mental help. Having her murder the Klingon is a questionable defining act for your series lead, especially when she seems to default to mutiny when disagreeing with her superior. I liked SMG, but I'm not sure they can craft a story for her character that I will find believable and compelling, short of having her shoot Captain Lorca dead and become a space pirate.
The preview, at least, had my interest. It's the main thing keeping me going, because the two things I like least -- the tiresome Klingons and ghost daddy Sarek -- seem to be the bread and butter of the show.
Next week will be make or break for me.

 

[Blamo]

Why
Were
The
Klingons
Talking
So
Stilted
Like
This?

Because the actor was wearing fake teeth and was having to spout a lot of alien gobbledygook.

 

[Fateor]

Why
Were
The
Klingons
Talking
So
Stilted
Like
This?

Because the producers were idiots and had the bright idea to combin full facial prosthetics, false teeth, and a completely new language. And then when that obviously didn't work refused to back down into something sensible.

 

[Hey Missy]

It must be the prosthetics because previous actors playing Klingons had no problem rambling off Klingonese (even with those crazy fangs in their mouths, unless the style of their teeth changed as well).

 

[Nerys Myk]

It must be the prosthetics because previous actors playing Klingons had no problem rambling off Klingonese (even with those crazy fangs in their mouths, unless the style of their teeth changed as well).

I've noticed a few actors sounding a bit garbled in the past. Some that played Ferengi as well.

 

[RobertCardassian]

Yeoh should have been the main captain. I like her much more than Isaac.

Still can't believe they killed her this early. She was a major selling point for me. Her and Sonnequa are great. Really am not digging the stupid orange alien (Doug Jones) and the AWFUL new purple sparkly Klingons

 

[dahj]

Why
Were
The
Klingons
Talking
So
Stilted
Like
This?

Because. Kirk... Stole... All.Their... Punctuation.

 

[RobertCardassian]

I would have much preferred Isaac as her early mentor, and then Yeoh as the captain giving her a second chance

 

[!LuvKJ]

Putting a big spoiler right in the title the day after it airs?

 

[Noname Given]

Why
Were
The
Klingons
Talking
So
Stilted
Like
This?

Because every one of the actors was mouthing the lines phonetically - and concentrating so much on that they really couldn't act it.

I'm fighting a sinus infection, so I'll write more later about these episodes, but has anyone addressed (SPOILER)


Why there were no Connies in the Starfleet ships coming for backup? This is a big combat situation. Why no Heavy Cruisers?

None nearby - this was on the far border of Federation space - they sent what was in the vicinity.