Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"

[Campe]

For me, it really isn't the look, though I would've went in a different direction. It is the fact that the world has changed. The writers have different life experiences, the way shows are made are different, the way actors work are different, our understanding of the universe is different, society is different.

What I watched last night "felt" nothing like the 2250's/60's as presented in the original.

It would be like making a modern prequel to Perry Mason. Sure you might be able to not conflict with later episodes on a purely information level. But seeing them walking around with technology no one could have imagined would shatter the illusion. Not only that but the changes in society that a modern show would reflect would also shatter the illusion.

Everyone's mileage will vary.

Of course! Like I said, if it makes you feel better believing its a reboot, cool! We have our reasons for suggesting what we do. I can absolutely respect your viewpoint even if I might not share it.

I was pointing out two reasons, which I find ridiculous to get upset over, which I see a lot of here and elsewhere.

 

[Shawnster]

I definitely wouldn't call it shit. I liked it. But the whole 'let's see what's out there' thing? Nonexistent. And that, for me, is a bummer. YMMV.

Not to mention that a show called Star Trek: Discovery doesn't even...

Spoiler

Have the Discovery in the first two episodes.

 

[Ovation]

The same one where Sybok is mentioned.

Or is STV a reboot too?

What about STIV with its female Captain?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Michele
Born 1966. How unrealistic.

Let's not forget Michael Learned (born 1939).

 

[Rahul]

Let's be honest here: The difference between TOS and DIS is AT LEAST as big as the difference between TOS and TMP. If you're okay with TOS and TMP being in the same universe, despite all the differences in tone, visuals, storytelling and aesthetics, even though they are officially even closer in time, you shouldn't have a problem with DIS being in the same universe as well.

Which is the oficial, canon position btw. Everyone is free to have his 'head-canon' (hell, I have mine regarding certain things), but that doesn't change the official, canon position from being: DIS is part of the prime timeline.
Every inconsitency between those two is just another part for the pile of already existing canon inconsistencies. Period.

 

[starsuperion]

official Canon position is there because "unofficially" the Producers and investors of the show want to make sure fans don't turn away, given how much time, money and actors are invested. It may be officially recognized as canon by the show producers (who don't want to see their crappy reboot fail).. but as a fan, whose opinion isn't motivated by the ALL MIGHTY PROFIT, this show feels like a sad reboot, and not anything like Trek.. actually it feels like a BSG remake.. dark, and stormy with PC tropes thrown in for good measure, and fan fiction sets, and cosplay costumes.

 

[Red Shirt]

For me, it really isn't the look, though I would've went in a different direction. It is the fact that the world has changed. The writers have different life experiences, the way shows are made are different, the way actors work are different, our understanding of the universe is different, society is different.

What I watched last night "felt" nothing like the 2250's/60's as presented in the original.

It would be like making a modern prequel to Perry Mason. Sure you might be able to not conflict with later episodes on a purely information level. But seeing them walking around with technology no one could have imagined would shatter the illusion. Not only that but the changes in society that a modern show would reflect would also shatter the illusion.

Everyone's mileage will vary.

I found the TVH plot lacking. The Vulcans never bothered to clue in the Federation about their solution for dealing with the Klingons. Michael was educated at the Vulcan Science Academy yet also never came across this information. She conveniently makes a phone call to Sarek during a crisis situation and presto, all is revealed. Crappy uninspired writing that didn't sell me on paying for a subscription.

 

[Ometiklan]

...It would be like making a modern prequel to Perry Mason. Sure you might be able to not conflict with later episodes on a purely information level. But seeing them walking around with technology no one could have imagined would shatter the illusion. Not only that but the changes in society that a modern show would reflect would also shatter the illusion...

The difference there is that Perry Mason was a contemporarily-set show. If you were doing a prequel to it now, it would have to be a period piece with the appropriate technology and design. If you were doing a modern "Young Perry Mason" that was a prequel in that it was Perry as he was younger, you could still set it in the modern day with modern technology. It would just be less of a direct, 100% prequel.

Trek is a little different because it is a fictional future-set show, but even then you have the fan productions that has stuck very close to the 1960s aesthetic, and now you have this professional TOS-prequel series with modern design but set in the 2250s.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

I think we'll need a new set of initals for this episode. TVH means The Voyage Home.

Let's be honest here: The difference between TOS and DIS is AT LEAST as big as the difference between TOS and TMP. If you're okay with TOS and TMP being in the same universe, despite all the differences in tone, visuals, storytelling and aesthetics, even though they are officially even closer in time, you shouldn't have a problem with DIS being in the same universe as well.

Which is the oficial, canon position btw. Everyone is free to have his 'head-canon' (hell, I have mine regarding certain things), but that doesn't change the official, canon position from being: DIS is part of the prime timeline.
Every inconsitency between those two is just another part for the pile of already existing canon inconsistencies. Period.

As far as this, I am quite OK with the visual and technological differences from TOS to TMP, because it was an advance in time and technology. It's expected.

But where it should have been established in some way to have at least a couple little callbacks to the TOS look and form would be in the first couple episodes. None of that was there, except in the sound effects on the Shenzhou.

 

[DigificWriter]

this show feels like a sad reboot

 

[BillJ]

But where it should have been established in some way to have at least a couple little callbacks to the TOS look and form would be in the first couple episodes. None of that was there, except in the sound effects on the Shenzhou.

If it was really Prime, would it have killed them to stick a D-7 in there? Or to use a viewscreen instead of holograms?

Right now? I really wish they had made the show with less money. At least that way they may have needed to fall back on some of the iconic designs to fill things out.

 

[starsuperion]

I found the TVH plot lacking. The Vulcans never bothered to clue in the Federation about their solution for dealing with the Klingons. Michael was educated at the Vulcan Science Academy yet also never came across this information. She conveniently makes a phone call to Sarek during a crisis situation and presto, all is revealed. Crappy uninspired writing that didn't sell me on paying for a subscription.

I agree.. it is like they just took an easy way out. And to think about it logically, the Vulcans would have briefed Starfleet about that, when do they not ever in any timeline or iteration of Trek have kept their mouth shut about anything?? I mean let's face it, the writers are just weak. The show feels extremely off.. Even the first episodes of TNG did a better job of making me feel welcome, and wanting to see what was next! This series.. ughh!! I prefer Janeway and her crew exploits, given this rendition of Trek, I am about to say Voyager was a masterpiece in comparison, and that's saying something.. even "Enterprise" seems a bit better.. tho not by much! I think Actual Star Trek died at Voyager.. after that.. it's been a Hollywood remake and reboot (discovery and Enterprise included) all Along!

 

[DigificWriter]

It's not the "look" that makes DSC part of the "Prime" timeline of part of a different timeline; it's the narrative history upon which it is built/adheres to.

If something new adheres to and is built upon the pre-existing narrative history of another already-existing thing - even if it greatly expands that pre-existing narrative history, said new thing is not a reboot. Period.

 

[Amaris]

If the writers had My Little Ponies floating around...

It would be the best show on television. THE BEST.

 

[BillJ]

It would be the best show on television. THE BEST.

Would've at least made it interesting.

 

[Amaris]

Would've at least made it interesting.

Captain Twilight Sparkle of the E.S.S. Harmony. ♥

 

[Gonzo]

What I liked:

- The looks. The show wasn't as blue as expected and I liked the yellows. Not stylish like JJTrek but pretty enough.
- Michelle Yeoh. I liked her, she had charisma and that nice sense of humour.
- The friendly banter among the crew at the start.
- That little bit of exploration and excitement at the start when Burnham went out in the spacesuit. I guess we'll just see war from now on. :/

What I didn't like:
- The dialogue was shit. Can Trek never hire writers who can write good dialogue instead of a whole bunch of statements and perfectly worded speeches that just serve to move the plot along? It felt stilted, unnatural, just really bad.
- The whole thing left me pretty cold. I didn't really feel it. I didn't care about these people.
- The Klingon makeup is a disaster because it prevents the actors from acting. You can't see any facial expressions. And T'Kuvma couldn't even speak properly. It was so awful.
- Plot was full of cliches.
- Actions made little sense most of the time.

I can't help but wonder if it's just a terrible idea to have so many people involved who have worked on Trek before. Guys like Nick Meyer are just bound to have a conservative approach to Star Trek and give us all these things I don't really want to see anymore. Instead of fun dialogue, interesting character dynamics and new ideas.

The show had a few bumps in development as well, too many cooks in the kitchen or just the wrong cooks maybe, it does show there was some big disagreements.

I really didn't like all the Klingon language, I normally wouldn't mind but there was just so much of it and it was unnecessary for the most part.

The original concept of Star Trek TOS was exploration and discovery, same goes for Generations, DS9 and ultimately Voyager even though they weren't really given a choice in the matter by the Caretaker.

Enterprise on the other hand had overarcing storylines that covered entire seasons such as the Xindi and it didn't really work, it looks like Discovery could end up being the same.

I love the idea I have seen on here about the possibility of Section 31 being involved but I fear I may be wishing on a star, that could explain the change in feel of the show.

The show feels closer to Enterprise which is no surprise really given that they were created one after the other, I am not so sure that's a good thing though.

I would have taken the story forward in time and covered the Enterprise F or maybe even the J with a widening of the scope of the show to encompass new galaxies, a show with some boldly go in it would be nice.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Captain Twilight Sparkle of the E.S.S. Harmony. ♥

The ship's doctor is Neil Clark Warren.

 

[Amaris]

The ship's doctor is Neil Clark Warren.

He has to have a pony name, so something like Dr. Heart Mate or something.

 

[arch101]

DSC wasn't terrible but it should rattle the producers that this typical 40-year Trek fan enjoyed ep 3 of The Orville more than the premiere of a new Trek series.

 

[Borgminister]

There is no "typical".