"The Orville" on Fox had more viewers and market share than "Star Trek: Discovery" on CBS????
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"
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"The Orville" on Fox had more viewers and market share than "Star Trek: Discovery" on CBS????
The more important stat from last night is this:
http://www.superherohype.com/news/4...o-record-sign-ups-for-cbs-all-access#/slide/1
No, Discovery had something close to a million more viewers."The Orville" on Fox had more viewers and market share than "Star Trek: Discovery" on CBS????
I've revised my original post to make it clearer. The Orville beats on viewers between the ages of 18/49.
CBS remains the network of the elderly. If Discovery had directly followed the football game it might have grabbed a bigger share of younger viewers; instead, it was put after Sixty Minutes - gods know if anyone outside of octogenarians watch that show.
I'm sure CBS would have liked a bigger bite of the network audience to crow about, but it's not going to affect their business plan. Beyond this week, we'll have no clear reliable information about how many people watch the show, and it doesn't exactly matter.
"The Orville" on Fox had more viewers and market share than "Star Trek: Discovery" on CBS????
The Orville lost 1/2 it's audience the next week.
Discovery doesn't have a next week.
What ratings do is tell CBS how much to charge their sponsors for the next round of advertising, which is non applicable in this instance.
OK, so it wasn't as mindblowingly awesome as I was hoping it would be, but I still enjoyed it overall. It really did feel to me like Trek done in a modern style. The scenes on the Shenzou would not have felt out of place on one of the other series, which is a good thing for me.
The 3 big characters, Burnham, Georgiou, and Saru were pretty interesting. Burnham seems like she should be a good lead. I don't have a problem with her connection to Sarek, and I look forward to seeing more of their relationship.
I'm not quite sure what to make of the Klingons at this point. I was one of the big defenders of the new designs, and I do like it and don't think there was anything wrong with changing their look, but now that I've seen them in action I'm not so sure. I was hoping there would be enough recognizable elements that they would still feel like the Klingons we saw in the other shows, but other than a few references to Sto-Vo-Kor and Kahless there really wasn't anything connecting them to the familiar Klingons. I'm not going to totally write them off, because approaching them without the other shows in mind, I thought they were really cool. I love that they are doing all of their dialogue in their language, it really makes them feel a lot more unique and alien. There were some interesting ideas in there, like the Sarcophagus Ship, and the whole thing with Vow.
There were a few instances were some of the dialogue was a bit awkward, but I think a lot of that was just due to this being the pilot, and the writers and actors still needed to find their groove.
I did like it enough to subscribe to CBS AA and I will definitely keep watching.
The 3 big characters, Burnham, Georgiou, and Saru were pretty interesting. Burnham seems like she should be a good lead. I don't have a problem with her connection to Sarek, and I look forward to seeing more of their relationship.
I'm not quite sure what to make of the Klingons at this point. I was one of the big defenders of the new designs, and I do like it and don't think there was anything wrong with changing their look, but now that I've seen them in action I'm not so sure. I was hoping there would be enough recognizable elements that they would still feel like the Klingons we saw in the other shows, but other than a few references to Sto-Vo-Kor and Kahless there really wasn't anything connecting them to the familiar Klingons. I'm not going to totally write them off, because approaching them without the other shows in mind, I thought they were really cool. I love that they are doing all of their dialogue in their language, it really makes them feel a lot more unique and alien. There were some interesting ideas in there, like the Sarcophagus Ship, and the whole thing with Vow.
There were a few instances were some of the dialogue was a bit awkward, but I think a lot of that was just due to this being the pilot, and the writers and actors still needed to find their groove.
I did like it enough to subscribe to CBS AA and I will definitely keep watching.
Voyager is my favourite show. Not just of trek but of all shows. Yet even I can admit Caretaker was not a "knock out of the park" first episode. It was boring. As was the first episode of DS9.
I was thoroughly entertained for the Discovery. Interested to see how it continues.
"The Orville" on Fox had more viewers and market share than "Star Trek: Discovery" on CBS???
I would imagine people who already bought All Access were watching it on All Access and those don't count for ratings if I'm not mistaken.
I'm worried this is how I'll ultimately feel, but I also think I need to see where it ends up to know for sure. Once the season is wrapped up, "The Vulcan Hello" may feel like it was the perfect way to begin the story.
There's been a lot of discussion about what a pilot SHOULD be, the best way to entice an audience, etc. There's truth to a lot of these criticisms, but I keep coming back to: the only thing a pilot MUST do is make you want to see more. After the first hour, I absolutely, for sure, wanted to see more.
I feel like we saw different episodes. There's not one moment in either hour that glorifies war in any respect. Though they did make it clear that they'll be dealing with DS9-ish themes of how you hold onto your essential values in times of war, which is fertile ground for a contemporary Trek series.
It reminded me so much of Odo's ridiculous "Emissary" speech on the Promenade, laying out his whole tragic backstory of being found adrift in space and how hard it is to live with humanoids etc etc etc. Though like my first viewing of "Emissary", I thought "this is not going to age well, but Doug Jones/Rene Auberjonois is really selling it right now..."
Okay, I didn't know what that numbers mean or how to read them. But I would have been very surprised if "Star Trek parody" had more viewers than "Star Trek".
Indeed. Important for them are only "number of people buying an All Access-subscription" afterwards. I guess they won't release any hard numbers here, aren't they?
Yes! I can't believe I forgot to post about that. It had an alarmed line at some point! Was that supposed to be a robot crewman? It felt like it. Even with my relaxed attitude towards continuity, I might have to get worked up in defense of Data here...
They don't. I'm sure CBS will never release any actual streaming numbers for Discovery, because why should they? None of the streaming services do.
And I'm sure most of the audience streamed the premiere. I did.
On its second week, but third episode - when it moved on the schedule.
So, CBS wanted - what, four million new subscribers from Discovery? Well, if they pull half last night's audience to All Access, they've got that.
No, that's not realistic. But they weren't expecting the four million immediately.
I don't think that was a robot at all, but just a helmet someone is wearing to monitor something. For example that little probe that's outside repairing the subspace relay, which not coincidentally is shaped almost exactly like the helmet.
I feel it's maybe a mistake to repeat DS9 and have the "total war"/"WWII in SPACE!"-scenario, again. I think a "local" war, like the current incursions into Afghanistan/Iraq/(by god hopefully not!)North Korea would have been much more timely and realistic.
I'm not sure if I want to see "the" big space war again. I would have been more interested in "a" space war, more assymetrical warfare, less total destruction. That would also avoid the plot hole of why noone ever uses WMDs, even though it's the ultimate war for their survival going on.
I enjoyed the first episode more than I expected. I loved the cinematic visuals and the camaraderie between Saru and Burnham. I still haven't warmed to the drastic change to the Klingons. The environment that they were all standing around in was very busy and murky to me, and their line delivery seemed a little slow and muffled, as others have mentioned. And while it was interesting to have the Klingons speaking Klingonese almost exclusively, I don't like the font they're using for the subtitles.
And how can they not have an onscreen episode title at the beginning to identify what we're watching, like all prior Trek shows have had? Is nothing sacred??
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the series....some day.
And how can they not have an onscreen episode title at the beginning to identify what we're watching, like all prior Trek shows have had? Is nothing sacred??
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the series....some day.
I put opinion in quotation marks, because the way it was presented it didn't seem to be an opinion based on what was presented in the episode. I think I have a fairly practiced eye at looking at special effects, and I can't honestly say there was one moment where I didn't like the effects in the show or felt they were cheap. I will look more closely upon a second viewing.
Maybe I am overreacting after weeks and months of people critiquing every little thing with little or no justification. If you say you have experience with CGI and can say you really based your opinion on what was shown in the episode, then I don't have any problem with that.
I think that was their primary tactical officer. The stuff from producers ahead of time indicated that both Klingons and Starfleet use those kind of full head-up display helmets for tactical awareness. When that officer went down, Saru took over with secondary tactical (apparently, based on Georgiou's dialogue).
I was one of those people. Unfortunately, if it doesn't improve fast, I'll cancel at the end of the free week. That will be the real test -- how many people actually pay for the thing.
Also, I wonder how many came signups came after the show vs. before. I signed up shortly beforehand so I could watch the second ep after the first. Too bad the app didn't work.
^ The article I cited was specifically talking about sign-ups FOLLOWING the airing of The Vulcan Hello on CBS broadcast TV.
I've come to the conclusion that it's disciplinary action for not staying focused on your job.
"OK, Allanna, this is your fourth warning. Now go put on the mask."
"No, Captain, I'll improve, I promise!"
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