Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"

[brianwdaugherty]

Pike called his first officer Number One in the Cage.

 

[DigificWriter]

People really need to "recalibrate" what they think the 23rd Century looked like and was like.

 

[Klingon Empire]

Pike called his first officer Number One in the Cage.

Ah! I thought so, but wasn't sure. Thank you for correcting me

 

[doublegoodprole]

Jadeb:

Yeah, she came off as more human than Vulcan for sure. I thought she'd be a lot more Vulcan-like.

You know, maybe this is why Sarek was so disapproving of Spock being in Starfleet at first. He didn't want any more long-distance calls from officers in a jam.

 

[Dar70]

They changed the look of everything. Why focus on the Klingons? They're as similar to the old ones as much as the ships and unis are.

I was just replying to a quote. I feel they screwed up on just about the entire look of the show. I have a thread where I discuss things I did think they got right. Which wasn't much.

 

[DigificWriter]

I can live with that. I am sad that this concept was the one chosen to restart Trek on TV. Having that opinion does not mean I hate the show or refuse to give it a chance.

Why, exactly, is a more DS9-style serialized show the "wrong" way for Trek to return to TV?

Star Trek is not and has never been only one thing, nor should it be expected to be.

 

[T'Bonz]

You know, maybe this is why Sarek was so disapproving of Spock being in Starfleet at first. He didn't want any more long-distance calls from officers in a jam.

Oh, I love Sarek, but he could be a prick. In any Trek series.

 

[Mirror_Barclay]

Bad start with the delay and then opening with subtitled Klingons.

Then the show carried me along for a bit. Most characters weren't developed at all, but they did a decent job with those few (though as I understand it we haven't actually met the ship and crew we'll spend most of the season with at all yet).

But... the end lost me again. Despite the focus on Burnham, the show still didn't sell me on her big decision.

Overall, I'm still in the wait-and-see camp on this show. Good thing I'm in Canada and already have Space, because I'm not sold yet and would not be getting All-Access.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think just showing the first episode by itself like that seemed like an odd choice. Since I was on the stream, part 2 auto-played seamlessly.

As it was presented, it really was just one episode and I think they should have broadcast the whole thing as such. I think it will prove to be a mistake by CBS.

Yeah, I'd be concerned that not enough happened to reel enough people in. There was no pew-pew, just drawn out scenes with weird looking aliens in rubber masks. The confrontation between Burnham and the first Torchbearer was almost engaging, but then it was over. We didn't even see Burnham get rescued, which robs us of an exciting moment.

Shifts of narrative voice can work, but switching back and forth between Burnham's point of view and the Klingon's point of view did not work for me here. (Obviously, we don't see Burnham get rescued, because at that particular moment, we're following her point of view.) I'm not sure how others are getting the feeling of too many cooks, but that shift in narrative voice gave me the feeling of too many cooks.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Sarek is fine. But Frain is a dud. He lacks the necessary screen presence for such a strong-willed character. And the Vulcan stoicism eludes him. I'd take Ben Cross in a heartbeat.

 

[Tim Thomason]

First thoughts. Subject to change.

- The Klingons are foreign and like nothing we've seen before, and they are not Ridgeless. But there was a comment made, that some of the coffins were thousands of years old. Perhaps these are Klingons that have existed in a complete vacuum?

I don't think so. I think the main Klingon wants to unite the (current) 23 warring houses and said as much. So, if he's ancient, then he's at least well-versed in the current actions of the Empire.

- Burnham was irritating. She seemed like me to be a human that was way too excited to try and include Vulcan teachings in her life. For all intents and purposes, she was raised Vulcan, but humans don't have the same grasp of emotions that Vulcans do, so it seemed odd for her to be trying to act so Vulcan, and at times it came off forced.

- The captain, I forgot her name already, seemed forced in her calling Burnham "number 1". I felt like that was something that only Picard did, but I could be wrong, and feel free to correct me. Besides that, she was alright. I guess.

Pike did too, and he's Captain Georgiou's contemporary.

- Graphics were impressive, very very impressive. I liked the design of the Shenzhou overall, it was interesting and brought to life very well with the new graphics.

- How are they going to rationalize all that technology, being it's only ten years before TOS?

Meh. TOS and Discovery are both in the future. They have the same technology, we just didn't see it all.

- More on the Klingons; I liked that they brought more culture into it and are delving into something we haven't seen with the klingons before. The Sarcophagus-Warbird was awesome. Who the hell is Voq and why is he white? I'm not sure how I feel about that. I have heard that there will be flat forehead Klingons as well as more traditional TNG-style Klingons in later episodes, and I look forward to this.

I really, really, really like the character of Voq, son of None. It may or may not tie into the story of The Albino from DS9, but it definitely reminds me of things like Martok and his commoner's perspective amongst the Klingon nobles. It's nice to see the classist hierarchy that always existed within the Klingons acknowledged and expanded upon.

 

[mos6507]

Have to bring down a starship?

Yep. Because it makes for a cool visual, especially the beloved(ahem) low-tech "thrusters" that it uses to stay aloft like we saw on Into Darkness. Style over substance.

Very much like Burnham too.

Why? She's a very unsympathetic character and seems incompetent and with poor judgment. I'm sure that was deliberate so they can build her up during the arc, but I needed to see more to make me empathize besides finding out she's a victim of a Klingon raid.

 

[brianwdaugherty]

I'm going to watch this again, followed by the second episode, to get a better impression of where the showrunners and writing staff might be going.

I'm really interested in these Klingons, and especially in T'Kuvma's story.

 

[doublegoodprole]

Sarek is fine. But Frain is a dud. He lacks the necessary screen presence for such a strong-willed character. And the Vulcan stoicism eludes him. I'd take Ben Cross in a heartbeat.

I liked how he kind of leaned back onto what might have been a desk or something during his conversation with Burnham. The gravitas!

 

[Maestro]

Pike called his first officer Number One in the Cage.

This is gonna turn out to be Majel's character.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I liked how he kind of leaned back onto what might have been a desk or something during his conversation with Burnham. The gravitas!

Good thing he was absolutely not busy and apparently micro-seconds away from a holotransmitter when Michael gave him the call.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

The funny thing is that if people have the episode cut-off from football it's only a slightly less abrupt cliffhanger. I think regardless of how well this Star Trek: Pew Pew Pew experiment works that showing the first half of what is obviously meant to be a two-part premiere was just a bad idea.

The one question I have is what is up with that robot head lady? That is ... interesting...

Did they forget how to make blinds in the future?

To be fair, the show does have some visual flair and it seems a good representation of that military type Star Trek.

 

[The Rock]

I never thought I would see a day where Star Trek fans would turn out to be as cynical as some sections of the Star Wars fandom, but apparently I overestimated the Trek fandom's level of maturity.

The only possible way The Vulcan Hello could be seen as "shit" is if people want to be negative simply for the sake of being negative.

You weren't around when the premiere of Enterprise happened, were you? The fan reaction was overwhelmingly negative for that.

 

[Klingon Empire]

I don't think so. I think the main Klingon wants to unite the (current) 23 warring houses and said as much. So, if he's ancient, then he's at least well-versed in the current actions of the Empire.



Pike did too, and he's Captain Georgiou's contemporary.



Meh. TOS and Discovery are both in the future. They have the same technology, we just didn't see it all.



I really, really, really like the character of Voq, son of None. It may or may not tie into the story of The Albino from DS9, but it definitely reminds me of things like Martok and his commoner's perspective amongst the Klingon nobles. It's nice to see the classist hierarchy that always existed within the Klingons acknowledged and expanded upon.

Voq does have something that I wish to see played out. He's going to have more pull with the Klingons than he gives off at first, I believe. Thank you for correcting me, it's been years since I've seen The Cage.

As far as technology is concerned, that may very well be true, and I'd be happy to accept it.

As far as the twenty three warring houses goes, he could very well be in the know so to speak and still be ancient. If he's dedicated enough time to catching up, then he could very well be in the know. It could be that reuniting the warring houses is just step one of his plans.

 

[Mudd]

If I weren't already a Trek fan I can't think of any reason I'd have watched this show past about the first ten or fifteen minutes.

The Klingons were complete duds, dramatically. The humans just talked tech jargon. What, Burnham mutinies, assaults the captain and prepares to fire on an alien spacecraft because her foster father told her that's what worked with another bunch of Klingons a couple of hundred years ago? That makes neither logical nor dramatic sense.

The characters all still talk what one story editor at TNG used to call "the stilted Star Trek language."

My, my, my...but no.

I'll check out the second episode tomorrow night. It's not looking good so far.