I was also wondering why Sarek is so close to Michael but alienated Spock when he chose to join Starfleet and not go to the Vulcan Science Academy. Will they reference Spock at all?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x01 - "The Vulcan Hello"
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I was also wondering why Sarek is so close to Michael but alienated Spock when he chose to join Starfleet and not go to the Vulcan Science Academy. Will they reference Spock at all?
Your answer is in your comment.
Sarek, as Spock's biological father, held his son to different standards than Michael, and when Spock chose to disregard his father's wishes and do something different, Sarek took it as a personal affront.
Yeah, that's why it's wrong. They're many light-years away from Earth. The stars shouldn't be the same.
How did the Klingons get the beacon in there, then? Did they build a super-powerful beacon with it's own guardian to be used once and then discarded?
The boots in Discovery are totally different from the ones in TOS, so it's a re-boot!
Yeah, otherwise Uhura and Spock will never...Oh, wait...Wrong timeline.
Perhaps she's why Spock and Uhura never got together in the Prime timeline!
Exactly so. And, everyone is free to see it how they want. Knock yourself out. But, they shouldn't pretend that they know a secret truth which is different than what the producers have said and different than what we've seen so far.
I figured that the beacon was built back in the time of Kahless and abandoned in the area long ago. It was pulled in by gravity (like the Shenzhou was during the battle) and just floated there for centuries until T'Kuvma found it and sent his torchbearer their to ignite it once the Federation showed up to check out the satellite. T'Kuvma's scattering field wasn't as good as his shipboard cloak, so the Shenzhou found it when he didn't expect them to.
I think you have captured the very sole of Trek there. Well done.
The Prime Directive has evolved, that is certain.
In TNG Picard basically says they should let people die rather than violate the Prime Directive, in Pen Pals they have a fierce debate about it with Pulaski saying she would help in case of a plague and Picard saying she shouldn't. The Paul Sorvino (as Worf's brother) episode they stand by and watch a planet "die" following the Prime Directive, in a similar situation to the one seen in this epsiode's opening.
Bringing up A Taste of Armageddon is a classic Trek example where both Kirk and Spock beam to a planet at war where they have been warned not to approach. Another paralell.
The Prime Directive only applies to natural disasters.
It was their mining fuckup that caused the problem with the planetary water-supply in the first place.
HA!!!
More evidence to polygamy!
Sarek did not want Spock to Join Star fleet, and did not want Michael to Join the Vulcan Expeditionary Force, because if his children met, then his wives would find out, and he would be rumbled.
More evidence to polygamy!
Sarek did not want Spock to Join Star fleet, and did not want Michael to Join the Vulcan Expeditionary Force, because if his children met, then his wives would find out, and he would be rumbled.
Sarek has always been kind of a jerk and a rotten dad.
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Logically, my magnanimity should be shared
with as many women as possible.
Well, I thought it was awfully big of me.
Hmmm. I'm just not sure I buy it.
I am a bit behind, but I have just finished watching the first episode. The special effects look nice. The space shots and the planet and aliens at the start looked particular good. When it comes to the characters, we haven't seen so much about them yet. I liked the captain and Saru so far. I couldn't care less about the Klingons though. Their scenes were just really boring. Also the Shenzhou ship parts had some pacing issues. The storytelling was too slow in my opinion, which made the episode a bit boring.
I think it is also an "interesting" choice that they made their main character Burnham so unlikeable in the pilot. After all it was aired on TV and was suppose to hook everyone. I don't think this was smart. I mean I expect a redemption storyline, but usually you make people first care about a character and then let them make a mistake they need a redemption from. Burnham though ignores orders right and left. She didn't make just a flyby, doesn't listen most of the times to Saru's advices, wanted to fire first on the Klingons and then mutinied against her captain. Mainly thanks to her I missed the team spirit Star Trek crews generally have. It was more about conflict between Starfleet officers than their friendship with each other.
Let's see what episode 2 will bring. I guess at least a bit more action.
I think it is also an "interesting" choice that they made their main character Burnham so unlikeable in the pilot. After all it was aired on TV and was suppose to hook everyone. I don't think this was smart. I mean I expect a redemption storyline, but usually you make people first care about a character and then let them make a mistake they need a redemption from. Burnham though ignores orders right and left. She didn't make just a flyby, doesn't listen most of the times to Saru's advices, wanted to fire first on the Klingons and then mutinied against her captain. Mainly thanks to her I missed the team spirit Star Trek crews generally have. It was more about conflict between Starfleet officers than their friendship with each other.
Let's see what episode 2 will bring. I guess at least a bit more action.
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Will None Of You Light The Beacon?
I, Voq, Son Of None, Will Light It.
You Are Unworthy By Blood.
But I Am Worthy By Faith In Kahless.
Indeed, You Are Brave.
However, The Ritual To Prove Worthiness Through One's Faith Is Always Conducted With The Left Hand.
He's Right. It Has To Be The Left Hand.
Really? Come On Guys. Really?
I, Voq, Son Of None, Will Light It.
You Are Unworthy By Blood.
But I Am Worthy By Faith In Kahless.
Indeed, You Are Brave.
However, The Ritual To Prove Worthiness Through One's Faith Is Always Conducted With The Left Hand.
He's Right. It Has To Be The Left Hand.
Really? Come On Guys. Really?
So do you think his penis is too big for one woman or not?
3 inches per wife.
Actually, if I can be serious about Vulcan mating rituals, as a 7 year old, Sarek was betrothed to a Vulcan princess, and because their kid was batshit loony toons, their union was (maybe) annulled, and never spoken of again.
1. That girl from when he was seven grew up to be an asshole, but if he doesn't do it with her every seven years Sarek will die. So he can either be very unhappy trying to share a life with an asshole or Sarek can look for a mistress. That being said a Vulcan's mistress (or the male equivalence), is about everything except sex. They are looking for a friend, between moments when they have to have sex with someone that they loath.
2. If the psychic connection is is annulled along with the marriage (imagine if they still had to bone every seven years, still even after a messy divorce), maybe Sarek doesn't do Ponfar anymore? If his psychic connection with that princess is cut, then it's possible that there is no dating pool to look for sex after marriage, because everyone compatible is still paired off with someone which they've been mentally stapled to since they were 7. No Vulcan woman (who is wife material) will marry Sarek, or ease him if they are already spoken for.
3. You may be expected to die from Pon far if your mate dies.
4. Sarek is defective. No Vulcan woman wants to have laughing children.
5. The Royal family is a pack of spiteful bitter assholes, and they punish any one who thinks about touching Sarek's penis, because although he does not belong to that princess anymore, it doesn't mean that they, or she, is cool with anyone else having him.
6. Remember how gays used to get married in Vermont, and then return home (across the country) to where their marriage was not legal? Without the telepathic bonding, which may be beyond a humans deficits, is it really an honest and legal marriage by Vulcan standards? Legally on Vulcan, Amanda may be Sarek's girlfriend, even if they have human paperwork to say otherwise.
7. If Sarek married an alien from the world he was the ambassador to, maybe he's done it before, and maybe even it's a DEMAND of the Job, that every Vulcan ambassador marries into the culture of the species that they are assigned to.
8. Sarek married Amanda to get the job. "Why should I get this post? Have you met my wife?" If the marriage was more tactical than loving (in the beginning), then maybe he needs another woman to take care of his other needs, like stimulating conversation form someone who doesn't have half his IQ. (This would mean that Spock must have "married" a Romulan... Which according to the novels, he did.)
9. We saw Vorrik who was almost 30 bond with a grown woman. What if the psychic bond is not one to one, but a group thing (it clearly is, but they winnow down the numbers with murdersports) so every time a Vulcan husband and wife can't quite get all the way home to bump fuzzies, a new person is added to the group, and then in seven years they all have to have a threesome/orgy or they will all die, so after a century of marriage, there could be 12 people, or more in the wedding bed.
10. Vulcans do it once every 7 years. Humans can do it 5 times a day, every day, until their knees give out. The human sex drive, even though Sarek is more than 3 times stronger and resilient than Amanda, is repetitively tedious and emotionally exhausting. Sarek may have needed a mistress or second wife who would not be continuously unbuckling his trousers the moment she thinks no one is looking. Dude needs a break, to talk about the weather.
Interesting proposition. I'm not sure what you're generalizing from here, but it's certainly not the case for me. I think the novels are doing a fine job with the post-Nemesis 24th century setting, and I'd be perfectly content if we never see it on screen again. OTOH, the 23rd century — what I think of as the real heart and soul of Trek — is something we haven't seen on screen for 26 years now. I like the idea of a return to it, fleshing out some details and perspectives we never got in TOS and the original-crew movies.
And yes, all else equal, I'd prefer that the aesthetics were as close a match to what we know of the era as modern production value would allow — which is to say, similar designs and color palettes, but better construction, lighting, and effects. (IMHO Enterprise did a solid job with that in "In A Mirror, Darkly," where it encountered the lost Defiant, and I can only imagine what a show with STD's budget could accomplish.) Sadly, that's not quite what we're getting. It's not a make-or-break thing for me, but it's not what I'd prefer.
Sybok? Who is this Sybok? I'm pretty sure that Spock never had a brother. ;-)
Obviously Spock never mentioned a family member who no writer at the time had ever envisioned. But what you're talking about there is a retcon, not a reboot. (Trust me — as a lifelong comic-book reader, this is an important distinction to grasp to retain one's sanity!)
(And the "Turnabout Intruder" thing is really just your interpretation of one line, anyway. It's just as reasonable to watch the scene and conclude that Janice wasn't speaking literally, and there's plenty of later canonical evidence — yes, retcons! — to confirm it.)
You seem to be caricaturing what some critics are saying rather than taking it seriously. Speaking just for myself, I'm certainly not offended that the Klingons look different... but I don't particularly like the new look, either. I find it to be (A) aesthetically uninteresting, (B) not in service to the story being told, and (C) unnecessary in light of existing continuity.
Frankly, on the whole, I just don't care for the aesthetic sensibilities of the people who designed this show — its ships, sets, costumes, makeup, lighting. That's not a criticism of the writing, acting, or anything else. A different production team could have taken the exact same show and come up with a very different kind of "visual reimagining." From what I've seen so far, I kinda wish they had. What we've got reminds me of the Abrams films, and not in a good way.
Lemme play devil's advocate here. The world changes all the time, often surprisingly quickly. It only seems to have continuity because we live through it in sequence. A lot can change in a decade or so. Compare the culture of WWII to the culture of the mid-1950s to the culture of the mid-'60s. Now consider that we've only ever actually seen one on-screen story set in the 2250s ("The Cage"). Even setting aside that it was a pilot (with all the rough-around-the-edgeness that always entails), it's really not a lot to go on, and we should be cautious about extrapolating backward from what we know about Kirk's FYM era. It's close in time, yes, and I like that... but there's still room for all kinds of interesting differences.
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There are those out there who seem to be. In this very thread even. Not liking is fine. I’m all for differing tastes and having the ability to voice them.
And If people really are that invested that they’re offended, that’s fine too. I just find it a little strange.
OK, I watched episode 1. What a mess.
As much as other characters went on about Burnham being very Vulcan-like, I couldn't see it. Unless she's supposed to act like a hot-headed, impulsive, borderline irrational Vulcan with PTSD. I don't like Burnham at all. She registers at 15 on the Mary-Sue scale of 1 to 10. The whole mutiny thing was stupid, I don't care how right she was in the end. I mean, of course she has to be right and everyone else wrong since she's a Mary-Sue for the ages. That's how it works.
Too many plot holes to count. Shredded lace has more cohesion than this story. It's more sketchy contrivances held together by dull exposition than anything else. At least Sarek is still a sanctimonious jerk. There's your Prime continuity maintained. I still don't get why he ended up as Burnham's guardian. I mean, there are more than six Vulcans, aren't there? And the "Vulcan Hello" nonsense. Please. I know the Vulcans could be stingy with crucial information, but it's more helpful to go ahead and share that Klingons prefer a punch in the face rather than an invitation to tea. And way more helpful to let the higher-ups at Starfleet know about it rather than slip it to Mary-Sue at the last moment. Maybe Sarek really does hate Starfleet more than he's letting on.
The Klingons. Hard to be afraid of a warrior race when it looks like they'd break or fall over if they moved too fast. I'm fine with making them look alien and ferocious. But I couldn't tell you if any of them were able to change their facial expression even a little. Between the actors being straightjacketed, sealed in foam rubber (for freshness?), fitted with dental appliances that made even Klingon hard to understand, and having them speak in nothing but stilted, lethargic, marble-mouthed Klingon, all their scenes ground the narrative pace to a halt. It was excruciating to watch and read. T'Kuvma might as well have started his part with "Call me Ishmael" for as long as he rattled on. I can honestly say I miss the campy Klingons of TNG and DS9 now. They aren't nearly as boring.
I could complain about the array of tech that leapfrogs TOS, TMP, TNG, DS9, etc, but what was more irksome was the tech they should have, like scanners and subspace communication, that only works under optimum conditions and then only just barely.
So much for my earlier misgivings about content. I have no interest in watching episode 2.
♫♩ This reboot's made for walking, and that's just what I'll do... ♬♪
As much as other characters went on about Burnham being very Vulcan-like, I couldn't see it. Unless she's supposed to act like a hot-headed, impulsive, borderline irrational Vulcan with PTSD. I don't like Burnham at all. She registers at 15 on the Mary-Sue scale of 1 to 10. The whole mutiny thing was stupid, I don't care how right she was in the end. I mean, of course she has to be right and everyone else wrong since she's a Mary-Sue for the ages. That's how it works.
Too many plot holes to count. Shredded lace has more cohesion than this story. It's more sketchy contrivances held together by dull exposition than anything else. At least Sarek is still a sanctimonious jerk. There's your Prime continuity maintained. I still don't get why he ended up as Burnham's guardian. I mean, there are more than six Vulcans, aren't there? And the "Vulcan Hello" nonsense. Please. I know the Vulcans could be stingy with crucial information, but it's more helpful to go ahead and share that Klingons prefer a punch in the face rather than an invitation to tea. And way more helpful to let the higher-ups at Starfleet know about it rather than slip it to Mary-Sue at the last moment. Maybe Sarek really does hate Starfleet more than he's letting on.
The Klingons. Hard to be afraid of a warrior race when it looks like they'd break or fall over if they moved too fast. I'm fine with making them look alien and ferocious. But I couldn't tell you if any of them were able to change their facial expression even a little. Between the actors being straightjacketed, sealed in foam rubber (for freshness?), fitted with dental appliances that made even Klingon hard to understand, and having them speak in nothing but stilted, lethargic, marble-mouthed Klingon, all their scenes ground the narrative pace to a halt. It was excruciating to watch and read. T'Kuvma might as well have started his part with "Call me Ishmael" for as long as he rattled on. I can honestly say I miss the campy Klingons of TNG and DS9 now. They aren't nearly as boring.
I could complain about the array of tech that leapfrogs TOS, TMP, TNG, DS9, etc, but what was more irksome was the tech they should have, like scanners and subspace communication, that only works under optimum conditions and then only just barely.
So much for my earlier misgivings about content. I have no interest in watching episode 2.
♫♩ This reboot's made for walking, and that's just what I'll do... ♬♪
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