Star Trek: Axanar
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This thread is now a fantastic cure for insomnia.
As someone who in his real life deals with the joys of public budget disclosures, non-profits, accounting practices, etc - I use Star Trek and root beer to escape that rather boring minutiae - I will only say that the more information that is made public, the harder it is to hide fraud, but in the end you have to trust that an entity you are supporting or donating to us being honest and upfront about their financial decisions.
Trying to dig through every detail and comb every number is just not a reasonable course of action for 99.9% of us - so why don't we focus on the sausage rather than how it is getting made?
As someone who in his real life deals with the joys of public budget disclosures, non-profits, accounting practices, etc - I use Star Trek and root beer to escape that rather boring minutiae - I will only say that the more information that is made public, the harder it is to hide fraud, but in the end you have to trust that an entity you are supporting or donating to us being honest and upfront about their financial decisions.
Trying to dig through every detail and comb every number is just not a reasonable course of action for 99.9% of us - so why don't we focus on the sausage rather than how it is getting made?
Part of the problem here is instead of saying "that's not my department, I'll have to ask" or asking "you may not be the privy to the information, but I was wondering" many messages here are couched in prickly and/or dismissive language.
If Axanar wants to be a "sunshine" production (transparent), they should accept that some people are going to ask questions in a manner they don't like. One can grit their teeth and still smile.
As to Karzak, yes he's pretty forthright and blunt, but I don't think he's been insulting or rude here. Personally, I've always appreciated his directness even when we've disagreed.
As always, a good way to keep things civil is to always check your messages for unnecessary "you"s.
If Axanar wants to be a "sunshine" production (transparent), they should accept that some people are going to ask questions in a manner they don't like. One can grit their teeth and still smile.
As to Karzak, yes he's pretty forthright and blunt, but I don't think he's been insulting or rude here. Personally, I've always appreciated his directness even when we've disagreed.
As always, a good way to keep things civil is to always check your messages for unnecessary "you"s.
I'm not a fan of Axanar, I don't plan on watching it, I don't plan on supporting it, and I find many fans of Axanar to be some of the most annoying people on the planet - but even the most carefully parsed, pleasantly worded, thoughtfully presented questions can rankle if they are repeated over and over again with only minor changes in content and direction.
Part of the problem here is instead of saying "that's not my department, I'll have to ask" or asking "you may not be the privy to the information, but I was wondering" many messages here are couched in prickly and/or dismissive language.
If Axanar wants to be a "sunshine" production (transparent), they should accept that some people are going to ask questions in a manner they don't like. One can grit their teeth and still smile.
As to Karzak, yes he's pretty forthright and blunt, but I don't think he's been insulting or rude here. Personally, I've always appreciated his directness even when we've disagreed.
As always, a good way to keep things civil is to always check your messages for unnecessary "you"s.
I agree, and I have no issues with BillJ's question either. If anything, I think some people are being overly defensive. Terry is the representative of Axanar in this forum, so it's on him to answer the questions posed, not the other posters, IMO.
I'd like to see it this way:
As long as there is a majority of happy donors who keep the Well watered, there shouldn't be any problem for anyone.
If donors get the feeling, they've been somehow betrayed, they'll certainly show up, don't you think?
Happy agnostic here on my side of the ocean!
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As long as there is a majority of happy donors who keep the Well watered, there shouldn't be any problem for anyone.
If donors get the feeling, they've been somehow betrayed, they'll certainly show up, don't you think?
Happy agnostic here on my side of the ocean!
Per
As far as having no issues goes: anyone can type a series of words on a keyboard forming a sentence claiming they have no issues with BillJ's question and then hit post, but it doesn't mean they're not actually planning to stalk him and pelt him with spitballs in brutal revenge for that time he cut in front of them in traffic back in 1986. So I don't know that it would really be defined as having no issues.
Honestly the numbers-doctoring post and the "W-9 or 1099" question are the kind of content I might have written if I was trying to parody fairly absurd questions before the latest part of this thread happened. Attempting to defend that kind of thing strikes me as oddly misguided -- and Jedi_Master's suggestion here as eminently sane -- but hey, that's me.
As far as having no issues goes: anyone can type a series of words on a keyboard forming a sentence claiming they have no issues with BillJ's question and then hit post, but it doesn't mean they're not actually planning to stalk him and pelt him with spitballs in brutal revenge for that time he cut in front of them in traffic back in 1986. So I don't know that it would really be defined as having no issues.
...in this thread
as a teen, I was a worse driver in 86! 
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This is tangentially connected to the subject, so I will leave it here... I find it interesting that there is an expectation these days that a person representing a product, production, company, political party, dog and pony show, etc. should never once get irritated, angry, upset, or annoyed at any question, comment, that is directed at the product, production, company, etc they are representing.
Many electrons have been spilled about a certain producer who told a fan to sexually satisfy themselves after a testy exchange on the Internet. Even on this site some individuals have been very vocal in their defense of that producer, and have said that no one should expect a person to be Vulcan calm when they perceive they are being attacked.
Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
If Orci is justified in cursing at a fan that went too far, I think the Axanar folks might on occasion be justified in getting a little testy at a line of questioning.
Many electrons have been spilled about a certain producer who told a fan to sexually satisfy themselves after a testy exchange on the Internet. Even on this site some individuals have been very vocal in their defense of that producer, and have said that no one should expect a person to be Vulcan calm when they perceive they are being attacked.
Well, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
If Orci is justified in cursing at a fan that went too far, I think the Axanar folks might on occasion be justified in getting a little testy at a line of questioning.
All one needs to do is visit our web site to see how construction is commencing, since every time there's a milestone of progress Alec posts about it and includes photos. The sets are being built now, and we have already purchased all of the materials for them -- a rather large pile of wood products and the necessary bits to adhere them together in the desired configuration. As for the cost, it's more about the cost of materials being higher than it is anything else -- the proper kind of materials -- which aren't simply plywood and sheetrock, for example -- have increased in cost due to market fluctuations. There was also a bit of an increase due to decisions to do things "right", rather than "least expensive." So, since Axanar plans to be around for a long, long time, we didn't want to just slap together something and are instead going the route of how sets are built on Hollywood productions. Evidence of this is the ability to unlock the bridge wedges and simply roll them away -- think of an orange that's been pulled apart and laid out by the wedges. With that process we can roll away the entire front of the set for filming if we needed to, or even remove any part of the set that's needed, or we could do something like swap out a few segments for a different configuration to make the set appear to be a completely different ship, and things of that nature.
The only set that's up and is being dressed/finished at the moment is the bridge, although many of the hallway and other room panels have been cut by the CNC machine (I can't recommend using one of these strong enough) and are awaiting assembly. To keep costs down, we have a small, but bloody awesome, construction crew led by Dean Newberry, and we're going for quality over expediency, since there's plenty of time to do so before the cameras begin roll toward the end of the year. We'd rather have it be perfect than cobbled together and later found to be a train wreck that would have to be dealt with for whatever reason.
My part in that is the video village of flat panel screens for all sets -- buying them, working out the logistics of the most effective, yet least expensive, playback system for the content that will be displayed, and working with the art department folks to make sure that their bits match the physical bits. The playback devices have already been purchased, and are in fact sitting on the table in a large pile not more than 4 feet away from me at the moment, but the screens haven't been delivered yet... there's no need to have 80+ monitors of various sizes laying around until they're needed, although they've been budgeted in the figures that Alec has already released.
Part of the problem here is instead of saying "that's not my department, I'll have to ask" or asking "you may not be the privy to the information, but I was wondering" many messages here are couched in prickly and/or dismissive language.
If Axanar wants to be a "sunshine" production (transparent), they should accept that some people are going to ask questions in a manner they don't like. One can grit their teeth and still smile.
I agree, and I have no issues with BillJ's question either. If anything, I think some people are being overly defensive. Terry is the representative of Axanar in this forum, so it's on him to answer the questions posed, not the other posters, IMO.
True. Sometimes the answer is a coyly worded equivalent of 'get bent,' too. Just because the answer isn't what one might want to hear doesn't mean that it's wrong, and being transparent and open doesn't mean, and won't mean, that every question posed is going to be answered to the poser's satisfaction, or answered without a tongue in cheek, or even an implied or actual a middle finger attached. =P If someone doesn't like one of the answers given then... *shrug* I never promised to please, nor am I even going to try. But, every word will be the truth. =)
Thanks for that last missive on set construction. While I'm sure some of the film's supporters (or even detractors!) might say 'just make the film already', it's encouraging to see the team is investing in quality materials which will - hopefully - pay off on screen.
ps: JM 's posts
ps: JM 's posts
I watched the Cage last weekend and it reminded me about the difference in sound FX, such as the transporter, the phaser pistol or the bridge ambient sounds. I'd find it cool if you reused many of these, but I get the feeling you guys might create your own set?
Aye, we're not going to be going retro with our sets, visuals, or sound effects. There won't be any of those wacky stick lamps that look like the head of the alien ships from War of the Worlds sticking out of the consoles like in the Pike scenes from TOS, or things of that nature, that's for sure. *cringe* But, re: sound effects, there will be homages, but we're going to be bringing some of our own ideas to the table there that have been carefully thought out to compliment canon. 50 year old effects and perceptions/guesses of the future are cool for nostalgia purposes, but pretty tired otherwise, IMHO. Thank goodness for Enterprise bringing a higher tech look-and-feel to canon in an earlier time period of the Trek universe, otherwise we'd all have 60's hair and go-go boots to work with for Axanar! =P
This highlights the double standards on here.
If I went on a star trek beyond thread, and said I'm not a fan of Star Trek Beyond and Abrams, I don't plan on watching it, I don't plan on supporting it, and I find many fans of Abrams and Star Trek beyond to be some of the most annoying people on the planet there would be lots of people whinging and moaning.
No, the only double standard here seems to be that people have no problem vilifying, admonishing and vituperating some parties while turning a blind eye to the exact same behavior from others. It's the internet though, so it's not surprising, just a little disappointing to see in action.
Beyond that, your hypothesis is completely off base. STAR TREK BEYOND is the official, professionally made and sanctioned feature film from the people who own STAR TREK. AXANAR will be a feature film (or four episodes) from a group of fans working with some professionals who love STAR TREK to make a STAR TREK fan film.
In other words, apples and.... tennis balls.
Beyond that, your hypothesis is completely off base. STAR TREK BEYOND is the official, professionally made and sanctioned feature film from the people who own STAR TREK. AXANAR will be a feature film (or four episodes) from a group of fans working with some professionals who love STAR TREK to make a STAR TREK fan film.
In other words, apples and.... tennis balls.
I don't see why you'd say you're not a fan of "Star Trek Beyond and Abrams" since Abrams has nothing to do with it anymore and the movie doesn't exist yet. At any rate I don't think it's anywhere near as verboten to criticize Abrams on the other fora as it was when I arrived here, and in general I don't see any particular need to be talking about Abrams in the Axanar thread or comparing this thread to other forums under different moderation.
Don't suppose maybe you have a question for Terry?
Is JJ Abrams no longer producing the film?
I would agree with this statement.
Don't suppose maybe you have a question for Terry?
Oh, my bad, of course he is.
There's an Abrams Tangent forming at 186 mark 12. If we don't close it off now, whole pages could be swallowed up! We have a duty.
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