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Who is Super Scout Productions? They make the Nigerian prince scam look totally brilliant in comparison...

I have attempted to approach Super Scout (hereinafter AltAxanar) to find out more about them, offering to list their 'alternative' Star Trek: Axanar at Star Trek Reviewed. (No, I did not seriously think they were making a film, but I figured that the best way to get information was to pretend to be taken in.)

A very large percent (every one I can remember, but my memory is not perfect) of new groups trying to create fan films are thrilled to be 'included' in my listing. Not AltAxanr.

They dodged my question about whether their film was going to be live action or animation. They replied, "mixed media." So I asked if that meant they were going to use audio and comic books as well. At that point, they refused to answer any further questions.

When I asked for their location, they said that was "TOP SECRET" (their caps). I showed them my Fan Filmmakers map and told them I had never found any other group that refused to tell me their location. That's true, but I do have one false location on my map for one production which is posting from a totalitarian nation which was part of the former Soviet Union. I did that on their request.

I told AltAxanar that since they were refusing to answer my questions I would store the information I had about them in my 'to be sorted' list, since I was not confident that 'mixed media' was really going to include film or audio.

Some other posters have been told that AltAxanar will not be seeking funds. AltAxanar has responded to others with attacks on Terry and Alec's team. I had assumed they were hoping to run a fundraiser claiming to be the Alec Peters Axanar, but were caught before they could fool anyone.

Anyway, that's what I have on them.
 
Jason, do yourself a favour and do not believe anything that´s posted on reddit. Anybody can start a rumour or post anything anonymous. The real BTS people usually stay far off that site, at least all that I know of do.
 
Getting back to Axanar itself, I think I've figured out a vital bit of the film. I'll post my speculation in "spoiler" tags just in case I turn out to be right in whole or in part:

I was re-watching Prelude when something caught my attention like I'd just taken a leak on an electric fence. Starting at ~17:20, it talks about how Kharn's spies discover the Constitution project at Axanar, and that they're the only class that can stand up to the D-7. I also remembered a passing comment I read a month or so ago from someone (can't remember who) at Axanar who said they'd placed a clue as to what Garth's plan is in Prelude itself.

Take a look at the Enterprise in that scene. She's done. Close up the last couple hull plates and she's ready to fly. And she may not be alone. They show at least one other Connie in that scene. Admittedly that one was nowhere near done, but there is another one that should be there, and should be just as finished as Enterprise:the Constitution (assuming in this timeline has her built instead of being just a concept blueprint).

Garth's plan is to pull a Endor. Kharn's spies were allowed to find out where the Connies were being built. They show up hoping to kill them "in the womb" as it were, only to "face the firepower of two fully armed and operational Constitutions". Plus the Ares class and everyone else (maybe even some Vulcan, Andorian, et al ships in support).

Terry, just so you know, I realize there's no way in heck you can respond one way or the other to my theory.

For everyone else, feel free to comment if you wish. I'm thinking spoiler tags are probably appropriate for the discussion as a precaution.
 
To be honest, none of us at Axanar know what's up with Chris's current attitudes. I, specifically, have no clue,

Then you should probably have stopped your comment on this here, friend.

You'll forgive me for being blunt and "abrasive" here, Terry, but these comments from you...

Let me e clear, I am in NO WAY trashing Chris. I like him very much, he has my respect for both his art and as a friend,

Again, I have ZERO beef with Chris, because he's a super guy.

...strongly contradict these statements from you:

but with that said he won't even tell me what's up before we meet. I've also asked Alec point blank and with my serious face if he knows what's going on and he emphatically said that he doesn't.

But, with that said, and only in my opinion, I observed that he's been acting a bit squirrely (my word) since around last November, so your guess is as good as mine as to what, if anything, could be going on.

As I mentioned, he has my respect, I consider him a friend, and I hope that this is simply some kind of personality conflict that can be ironed out. I say that because I've seen zero to indicate otherwise from any source, and I'm personally all over this production from top to bottom literally seven days a week, so if there was some dirt then it's so highly likely that I, Rob, Diana, Bill, or anyone else in the production office would know. There hasn't been even a hint of anything out of the ordinary for any startup --

Moreover, they are unprofessional, in poor taste and reek of gossip mongering. Most damning, they speak very poorly of the calibre of the Axanar production, something which, I'm sure you are aware, is precious and a very large part of your responsibility in public relations. ("You had one, job, Terry...")

But let's forget for a moment that you're the P.R. guy for Axanar and thus the public voice and face for the production. You're basically speculating and even trash talking Gossett a little bit based on, by your own admission, no factual information to support such a claim.

While it's wonderful that you're going to be meeting with Christian for a couple of beers to discuss all this, my own opinion is that these comments were wholly unnecessary to share here and certainly not the kinds of things one would say about someone they "respect" and "consider a friend."

Considered alongside Alec Peters' embarrassing temper tantrum last week with that lawsuit against Vic Mignogna for "defamation of character," your comments above are basically exactly the same behavior Alec was so obstreperously complaining about on social media before he calmed down and took that post down. What point could you possibly have to dispel such information other than to cast suspicion on whatever Gossett is saying these days?

My money is there's just some personal butthurt between folks

That much is obvious given the above quoted comments.
 
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Who is Super Scout Productions? They make the Nigerian prince scam look totally brilliant in comparison...

I have attempted to approach Super Scout (hereinafter AltAxanar) to find out more about them, offering to list their 'alternative' Star Trek: Axanar at Star Trek Reviewed. (No, I did not seriously think they were making a film, but I figured that the best way to get information was to pretend to be taken in.)

A very large percent (every one I can remember, but my memory is not perfect) of new groups trying to create fan films are thrilled to be 'included' in my listing. Not AltAxanr.

They dodged my question about whether their film was going to be live action or animation. They replied, "mixed media." So I asked if that meant they were going to use audio and comic books as well. At that point, they refused to answer any further questions.

When I asked for their location, they said that was "TOP SECRET" (their caps). I showed them my Fan Filmmakers map and told them I had never found any other group that refused to tell me their location. That's true, but I do have one false location on my map for one production which is posting from a totalitarian nation which was part of the former Soviet Union. I did that on their request.

I told AltAxanar that since they were refusing to answer my questions I would store the information I had about them in my 'to be sorted' list, since I was not confident that 'mixed media' was really going to include film or audio.

Some other posters have been told that AltAxanar will not be seeking funds. AltAxanar has responded to others with attacks on Terry and Alec's team. I had assumed they were hoping to run a fundraiser claiming to be the Alec Peters Axanar, but were caught before they could fool anyone.

Anyway, that's what I have on them.

Yeah, they're an obvious attempt to troll, but will be dealt with (not that they'll have any choice in the matter) soon enough. In the meantime I'm not concerned with anything that person is doing -- they would seem to know what lines they can and cannot cross for the moment until our nuke is delivered. =P

@Terry - if after the meeting you can illuminate more on the Gossett Facebook comments (appreciate your chat may be personal/off the record), I for one would welcome. Frankly, I don't understand what he's saying, other than Axanar continuing to seek funding, and he and a lot of cohorts have left since Prelude. Which may be understandable if shooting has been pushed back.

Here's my opinion on this situation and situations like this in general -- one or more people are butthurt for their own reasons and if they 'had something' they wouldn't be all coy about it with 'oh, you'll find out soon' or 'contact me for more info.' That doesn't make sense on any level -- if a person knew of some kind of wrongdoing then just come out with it so that everyone be aware. We are doing a fundraiser right now, so if someone had interest in protecting donors then this would seem to be the perfect time, right? I think we all know that it's just nonsense and my money is on there just being a personality conflict, some hard feelings, and that the world will spin on regardless.

In the end, Christian left Axanar for the reasons that he stated publicly last May on his Facebook page, unless that post was in error, because that's all of the information that I have to work from. It was his choice to move on to another opportunity, and we all wish him the very, very best, because that sounds super exciting. But, with that said, Axanar HQ learned of his departure the same way everyone else did... via a Facebook post. Could there be more to it? Sure, that seems reasonable. Might he and Alec have developed a bit of a feud or resentment or whatever for whatever reason? Sure, that seems reasonable. Has anyone on the Axanar team done anything stupid with funds? Of course not. So, logically (and I don't use that word ironically) this all seems to me to be a personal thing... someone (or some people) are maybe pissed, butthurt, or otherwise bent out of shape, and the outlet to vent their feelings is talking nonsense. Does that mean that person (or people) are bad? Of course not. Hey, we all lose our cool sometimes and say some crazy sh*t that we might later regret, but there's a pretty big line between 'they're buttheads neener neener' and intimating that there's some kind of potential criminal activity.

Again, I recommend that everyone just use common sense. Now, with this all said, Chris may very will not want to meet with me next week, and that's fine, because I think that I've made it clear here that I'm not going to be swayed by he-said/he-said kind of stuff -- I don't care about schoolyard nonsense. I have work to do! =P I still like Chris very much. I still consider Chris a friend. I still wish Chris only the very best in life and in his profession. Why, because I fundamentally respect the man. That said, I do regret that there might me drama, because we are/were so close as a team and now we're not -- it was like losing a family member in a way and that made many of us very shocked and then sad when he departed.

Also, with all of that said, I can count on one hand the number of team and crew that aren't going to be working on the feature who did work on Prelude to Axanar, and those people are:

Christian -- (director and co-writer) took another opportunity to direct a feature film.
Makeup Effects Lab -- (makeup and hair) their bid was just too expensive for us and they wouldn't 'haggle', so we had to part ways.
Frank Zanka -- (line producer) we went with a line producer on the feature that worked on the canon VOY and ENT series.
Jhennifer Webberley -- (co-producer) it's my understanding that she left when Chris left, because they're business partners in a production company outside of Axanar.

That's about it... I can't really think of anyone else off of the top of my head. But, with that said, crews change through attrition all of the time. It's common.
 
PS - Sorry for the double post, admins. Still working out this multi-quote thing...

To be honest, none of us at Axanar know what's up with Chris's current attitudes. I, specifically, have no clue,

Then you should probably have stopped your comment on this here, friend.

You'll forgive me for being blunt and "abrasive" here, Terry, but these comments from you...

Let me e clear, I am in NO WAY trashing Chris. I like him very much, he has my respect for both his art and as a friend,
...strongly contradict these statements from you:





As I mentioned, he has my respect, I consider him a friend, and I hope that this is simply some kind of personality conflict that can be ironed out. I say that because I've seen zero to indicate otherwise from any source, and I'm personally all over this production from top to bottom literally seven days a week, so if there was some dirt then it's so highly likely that I, Rob, Diana, Bill, or anyone else in the production office would know. There hasn't been even a hint of anything out of the ordinary for any startup --
Moreover, they are unprofessional, in poor taste and reek of gossip mongering. Most damning, they speak very poorly of the calibre of the Axanar production, something which, I'm sure you are aware, is precious and a very large part of your responsibility in public relations. ("You had one, job, Terry...")

But let's forget for a moment that you're the P.R. guy for Axanar and thus the public voice and face for the production. You're basically speculating and even trash talking Gossett a little bit based on, by your own admission, no factual information to support such a claim.

While it's wonderful that you're going to be meeting with Christian for a couple of beers to discuss all this, my own opinion is that these comments were wholly unnecessary to share here and certainly not the kinds of things one would say about someone they "respect" and "consider a friend."

Considered alongside Alec Peters' embarrassing temper tantrum last week with that lawsuit against Vic Mignogna for "defamation of character," your comments above are basically exactly the same behavior Alec was so obstreperously complaining about on social media before he calmed down and took that post down. What point could you possibly have to dispel such information other than to cast suspicion on whatever Gossett is saying these days?

My money is there's just some personal butthurt between folks
That much is obvious given the above quoted comments.

It is what it is and its all rather pathetic, IMHO. Chris is bent out of shape. Alec is bent out of shape. Vic is trashing Axanar. Chris and Vic seem to be buddies now. I swear that some of this could be written in to a basic cable TV movie. In the end, and speaking only for me, I'm tired of it all, because, using a prior analogy, it's just A-type personalities banging their dicks on the table. I'm here to work and get things done, not babysit grown men through the schoolyard phase of a mid-life crisis. Most folks buy a Corvette to work out such things. =P

Also, with that said, it's really none of your concern, Karzak. You're a spectator. I'll share what I share and you can either take it or leave it, but I won't be justifying my words or opinions to you, sorry.
 
It is what it is and its all rather pathetic, IMHO.

Oh, I agree. Your comments above were entirely pathetic, sir.

Chris is bent out of shape. Alec is bent out of shape. Vic is trashing Axanar. Chris and Vic seem to be buddies now. I swear that some of this could be written in to a basic cable TV movie. In the end, and speaking only for me, I'm tired of it all, because, using a prior analogy, it's just A-type personalities banging their dicks on the table. I'm here to work and get things done, not babysit grown men through the schoolyard phase of a mid-life crisis.

:lol: You're tired?

I have yet to see any comment, hear any story, or observe for myself any single occasion where "Vic is trashing Axanar."

Nobody who has alleged this action has been able to provide one iota of proof to verify it. The allegations come solely from Alec Peters, yourself, and others wholeheartedly in the Axanar camp. (Perhaps if you all stopped "banging your dicks on tables" together you'd be able to wipe the testosterone off your faces and see things a little more clearly?)

Also, with that said, it's really none of your concern, Karzak. You're a spectator. I'll share what I share and you can either take it or leave it, but I won't be justifying my words or opinions to you, sorry.

Good lord.

Spectator or no, you were the one to bring this all to our attention. Its the "concern" (personally, I'd have used the word "interest" here instead) of everyone in this thread now because you've chosen to share it with us.

You attacked someone you consider your friend, you questioned their motives and their behavior, and when someone says "Man, that's a douche move, Terry") your gut reaction is to just double-down? Is this fifth grade, or is this the sterling behavior of a professional publicist? I honestly can't tell anymore.

You can slyly tell me to fuck off all you want, but your words here are as plain as day, Terry and it's a big disappointment to see that this is the way Axanar is choosing to conduct itself. The resulting inefficacy is bad enough but I expected a lot more than this kind of nonsense from you guys.
 
In the end, and speaking only for me, I'm tired of it all, because, using a prior analogy, it's just A-type personalities banging their dicks on the table.
You may be giving them too much credit.:p

I'm here to work and get things done, not babysit grown men through the schoolyard phase of a mid-life crisis.
Never mind, you're DEFINITELY giving them too much credit.

People either find it in them to handle this kind of thing gracefully, or they don't. I don't think it's a situational "At this point in my life" thing or a "Type of personality I can't get along with" thing. I think it's just the nature of certain people who might otherwise perfectly fine, functional, upstanding individuals but simply cannot handle the idea of other people not bowing to their superiority or giving them due deference.

For example:
Karzak said:
You can slyly tell me to fuck off all you want, but your words here are as plain as day, Terry and it's a big disappointment to see that this is the way Axanar is choosing to conduct itself. The resulting inefficacy is bad enough but I expected a lot more than this kind of nonsense from you guys.
 
If Axanar wants to take the high ground I would politely suggest they knock off on accusing Vic of traducing their production unless they are prepared to actually provide some evidence to back it up, otherwise, it's just fact-free accusation which reads as untrustworthy as those redit threads everyone is decrying.
 
My suggestion for you going forward TerryMc is that if anyone asks you to comment on what Person X is saying about Axanar and there is not some factual answer to provide, that you simply say "I can't comment about Internet Rumors". Anything beyond that will push the invisible outrage button and really isn't all that important anyway. We don't need to know you are going to have beer with an-ex coworker, and we don't need to know the result of that conversation. That's private business and expounding on the shifting relationships between co-workers and former co-workers really leads nowhere.
 
You can slyly tell me to fuck off all you want, but your words here are as plain as day, Terry and it's a big disappointment to see that this is the way Axanar is choosing to conduct itself.

Oh, I'm sure Terry is crushed. :p

All of this here:

Moreover, they are unprofessional, in poor taste and reek of gossip mongering. Most damning, they speak very poorly of the calibre of the Axanar production, something which, I'm sure you are aware, is precious and a very large part of your responsibility in public relations. ("You had one, job, Terry...")

But let's forget for a moment that you're the P.R. guy for Axanar and thus the public voice and face for the production. You're basically speculating and even trash talking Gossett a little bit based on, by your own admission, no factual information to support such a claim.

While it's wonderful that you're going to be meeting with Christian for a couple of beers to discuss all this, my own opinion is that these comments were wholly unnecessary to share here and certainly not the kinds of things one would say about someone they "respect" and "consider a friend."

Is a ludicrously over-the-top freakout by comparison with anything that was actually said. Remember when you were advised last time out to check, if someone like Terry was losing patience with you, whether his behaviour was really at fault? You should maybe do that again.
 
It is what it is and its all rather pathetic, IMHO. Chris is bent out of shape. Alec is bent out of shape. Vic is trashing Axanar. Chris and Vic seem to be buddies now. I swear that some of this could be written in to a basic cable TV movie.

You're omitting the legendary rivalry between Vic and James Cawley, albeit seemingly under control these days.

Quite a dysfunctional fan-film family.

it's really none of your concern, Karzak.

Maybe true, but if you feel that way, then stop sharing such detail about the behind-the-scenes drama. Only reveal what you feel us bystanders need to know.

There's a diplomatic way to deal with a heckler and there's a way that is likely to just egg him on more. By talking (repeatedly) about dicks banging on tables (a rather crude analogy to use for a forum, btw) and "butthurt", all you are doing is throwing fuel onto the fire.

If you want to be seen as taking the high road, you'll have to refrain from hurling these kinds of insults, regardless of whether they're justified or not.
 
Hopefully this multi-quote rearrangement turns out...

If Axanar wants to take the high ground I would politely suggest they knock off on accusing Vic of traducing their production unless they are prepared to actually provide some evidence to back it up, otherwise, it's just fact-free accusation which reads as untrustworthy as those redit threads everyone is decrying.

Who said that Axanar was going to take the high road? I'm ready to call out bullshit wherever it is, both as a private person and as a member of the Axanar team. Don't assume anything, or that you know me or my intent, unless you've asked and it's been answered, sir. Karzak does enough of that here already and he's most often wrong.

You are correct about the 'he said-he said' aspect of it all. Vic does trash Axanar, because he's done so to my face. As I think that I've mentioned previously, he doesn't (or didn't at the time) know who I was, so he didn't hold back. It wasn't until there was a forced connection between Alec and Vic in the hallway of SDCC, where I was along and then introduced to Vic by Alec in a very awkward situation, that I almost broke out in laughter at Vic's expression. Heresay without a doubt, but I know what I know, because I was there.

To be honest, none of us at Axanar know what's up with Chris's current attitudes. I, specifically, have no clue,

Then you should probably have stopped your comment on this here, friend.

You'll forgive me for being blunt and "abrasive" here, Terry, but these comments from you...

Let me e clear, I am in NO WAY trashing Chris. I like him very much, he has my respect for both his art and as a friend,
...strongly contradict these statements from you:





As I mentioned, he has my respect, I consider him a friend, and I hope that this is simply some kind of personality conflict that can be ironed out. I say that because I've seen zero to indicate otherwise from any source, and I'm personally all over this production from top to bottom literally seven days a week, so if there was some dirt then it's so highly likely that I, Rob, Diana, Bill, or anyone else in the production office would know. There hasn't been even a hint of anything out of the ordinary for any startup --
Moreover, they are unprofessional, in poor taste and reek of gossip mongering. Most damning, they speak very poorly of the calibre of the Axanar production, something which, I'm sure you are aware, is precious and a very large part of your responsibility in public relations. ("You had one, job, Terry...")

But let's forget for a moment that you're the P.R. guy for Axanar and thus the public voice and face for the production. You're basically speculating and even trash talking Gossett a little bit based on, by your own admission, no factual information to support such a claim.

While it's wonderful that you're going to be meeting with Christian for a couple of beers to discuss all this, my own opinion is that these comments were wholly unnecessary to share here and certainly not the kinds of things one would say about someone they "respect" and "consider a friend."

Considered alongside Alec Peters' embarrassing temper tantrum last week with that lawsuit against Vic Mignogna for "defamation of character," your comments above are basically exactly the same behavior Alec was so obstreperously complaining about on social media before he calmed down and took that post down. What point could you possibly have to dispel such information other than to cast suspicion on whatever Gossett is saying these days?

My money is there's just some personal butthurt between folks
That much is obvious given the above quoted comments.

It is what it is and its all rather pathetic, IMHO.

Oh, I agree. Your comments above were entirely pathetic, sir.

Chris is bent out of shape. Alec is bent out of shape. Vic is trashing Axanar. Chris and Vic seem to be buddies now. I swear that some of this could be written in to a basic cable TV movie. In the end, and speaking only for me, I'm tired of it all, because, using a prior analogy, it's just A-type personalities banging their dicks on the table. I'm here to work and get things done, not babysit grown men through the schoolyard phase of a mid-life crisis.
:lol: You're tired?

I have yet to see any comment, hear any story, or observe for myself any single occasion where "Vic is trashing Axanar."

Nobody who has alleged this action has been able to provide one iota of proof to verify it. The allegations come solely from Alec Peters, yourself, and others wholeheartedly in the Axanar camp. (Perhaps if you all stopped "banging your dicks on tables" together you'd be able to wipe the testosterone off your faces and see things a little more clearly?)

Also, with that said, it's really none of your concern, Karzak. You're a spectator. I'll share what I share and you can either take it or leave it, but I won't be justifying my words or opinions to you, sorry.
Good lord.

Spectator or no, you were the one to bring this all to our attention. Its the "concern" (personally, I'd have used the word "interest" here instead) of everyone in this thread now because you've chosen to share it with us.

You attacked someone you consider your friend, you questioned their motives and their behavior, and when someone says "Man, that's a douche move, Terry") your gut reaction is to just double-down? Is this fifth grade, or is this the sterling behavior of a professional publicist? I honestly can't tell anymore.

You can slyly tell me to fuck off all you want, but your words here are as plain as day, Terry and it's a big disappointment to see that this is the way Axanar is choosing to conduct itself. The resulting inefficacy is bad enough but I expected a lot more than this kind of nonsense from you guys.

You're assuming that I'm speaking ill of Chris, which I'm not, when I'm merely sharing what I know publicly with everyone here and with no ill intent. You're clearly adding in your own nutty butthurt and spinning my words and the intent behind them to suit your agenda. This specific, final sentence was originally going to be something incredibly unkind, but I walked it off and will just wish you the best instead. We're oil and water it would seem and we're not going to agree, so I'm choosing to agree to disagree without getting nasty. Don't push me though...
 
I see the calls for calm and peace have fallen on deaf ears. Someone send me a note when the Four Year's War is finally over...
 
You are correct about the 'he said-he said' aspect of it all. Vic does trash Axanar, because he's done so to my face.

PICARD
Thank you. That was the missing element.

Now, where are the comments which inspired Alec to threaten legal action?
 
My suggestion for you going forward TerryMc is that if anyone asks you to comment on what Person X is saying about Axanar and there is not some factual answer to provide, that you simply say "I can't comment about Internet Rumors". Anything beyond that will push the invisible outrage button and really isn't all that important anyway. We don't need to know you are going to have beer with an-ex coworker, and we don't need to know the result of that conversation. That's private business and expounding on the shifting relationships between co-workers and former co-workers really leads nowhere.

Thank you, Jedi Master, for this excellent plea in the name of common sense. I for one appreciate it, even if we disagree on the other particulars here.
 
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