Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

[PhaserLightShow]

I agree with much of what you said except for DS9 is far more representative of Star Trek despite the story arcs and darker themes. It has the human story. I do feel that JJ-Trek is representative of the state of pop culture and the 2009 film despite any minor gripes I have with it was actually a triumph for the franchise. Unfortunately they took a huge misstep with The Wrath of Khan: The Next Generation aka Into Darkness. And as others have mentioned, people are not running out to buy into merchandise or dress up as characters from the new films. People are still buying into the old, not the new.

I am thankful however that the television series has a chance to go back to what I feel most fans are hoping for and that is a return to the prime universe. That does not mean as others have argued that it has to go back to technobabble or recurring tropes that we have seen before in TNG, DS9 and VOY. It does mean that the type of story telling those shows and the original series did at their best can return. The heart and feel of Star Trek can return and the excitement from TOS or the new films can be included as well.

Hopefully with new and old people at the helm and a door open for some amazing cameos, because let's be honest, who doesn't at some point want to see Patrick Stewart as Picard again even if he is tending his vineyards or an old admiral or ambassador, this new show can be a continuation of the amazing universe that Kirk, Picard and company have inhabited.

I like DS9 better because of the darker themes. It makes Star Trek seem more realistic.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, that will be a trick!

No kidding.

Also, they will be ordering a pizza that everyone willl be happy with as well.

 

[eyeresist]

As some have suggested, the exact universe will probably not be made clear, thus giving everyone something to complain about.

I went to the Star Trek Ultimate Voyage concert the other night and out of all the people dressed up in uniform younger and older you've got mostly TNG uniforms, then a Seven of Nine and some TOS movie era and show era not JJ-TREK uniforms.

The fabric for the JJ uniforms is probably really difficult to replicate...

 

[Kemaiku]

It is a lot harder to create on the budget 99% of cosplayers have. And from a distance, at night, look identical to TOS ones anyway, so there could have been several there and you simply didn't notice.

 

[cultcross]

The JJverse uniform tops were quite easy to find in shops over here after the 09 movie came out so it became a fairly common party costume for a while. Star Trek Cosplay seems to take a back seat generally though at UK events. Doctor Who and Star Wars currently dominate. When it does appear it's almost universally TNG based, with the odd more hardcore cosplayer going for the homemade Monster Maroon.

 

[trekfan_1]

Thought has just occurred to me that if Star Trek was solely owned by one entity - Paramount for example, we'd likely not have a new new show premier in January. That's kind of ironic and one rare instance where Star Trek being co-owned by 2 companies is a good thing. It invites creative competition with one owner trying to outdo the other. No way would a new series be made right now if Paramount had control. They would see it as over-saturating the market and would probably wait at least 10 more years well after the current movies have ran their course.

 

[eyeresist]

No way would a new series be made right now if Paramount had control.

The same way Marvel hasn't allowed any TV shows to compete with its movies?

 

[trekfan_1]

The same way Marvel hasn't allowed any TV shows to compete with its movies?

With Marvel, (and superhero entertainment)the Market is *already* saturated with films coming out left right and centre and people are *still* eating it up like candy. It's sad to admit but Superhero properties have more wide spread appeal among the public and seem resistant to "franchise fatigue" (although 20 more years of Superhero movies and tv shows all over the place and it *may* reach a tipping point)

With Star Trek, the feeling is that it has a more niche following and a lower attention space among the general public. For this reason, having more that 1 tv show and/or movie(s) running at the same time may be seen as spreading the franchise to thin from a business perspective. I'm not saying I agree with this mindset, but I believe thats probably what the suits a Paramount believe. If they didn't care, they wouldn't have asked CBS to wait 6 months. Part of it is also vanity I believe. They want the NuVerse characters to stand alone and the prestige that comes with that . In reality though, the movies are essentially popcorn flicks. A tv show can definitely co-exist with it. I don't think your over-saturating it unless its 2 tv shows or 2 different movie reboots are running at the same time.. A tv show and a movie is manageable for Star Trek IMO.

 

[eyeresist]

^ I think the obvious difference is that superheroes can have a range of looks, personalities, problems and tone. So far, Trek doesn't have a reputation for that (not helped by fans who basically say that anything not TNG = evil).

Can we have iterations of Star Trek with "a range of looks, personalities, problems and tone"? Would the fans stand for it? Would the public be confused? My feeling is it would improve Trek's image if the public thought "Trek isn't just righteous heroes on a big flashy flagship - all sorts of stories can come out of that universe."

 

[trekfan_1]

^^I agree with you. My point is that the studio would probably not realize this (hence asking CBS to wait) and automatically assume "oh if theres anything else out there called "Star Trek Blah Blah" the audience would get confused and we'd run the risk (even if it's a small risk) of diluting profit ". But since Trek is splintered with each company wanting to do their own thing, that short-sightedness is ironically mitigated.

 

[eyeresist]

I am hoping the Fuller series will be good enough to change the situation. A really modern-looking series that expands the perceived possibilities of the universe.

 

[trekfan_1]

My hunch is that the new series may not even have the traditional navy inspired hierarchy. They keep hinting that the show will be "different". Maybe it will be a cross between a non anthology version of the Twilight Zone and the movie "Interstellar". A specialized group of Federation officers (not necessarily "Starfleet") in some sort of inter-dimensional exploratory mission.

 

[eyeresist]

> 'not necessarily "Starfleet" '

It might be a nice change to see a science team in Star Trek who aren't just there to be rescued/have their corpses discovered by Captain Heroic.

 

[trekfan_1]

> 'not necessarily "Starfleet" '

It might be a nice change to see a science team in Star Trek who aren't just there to be rescued/have their corpses discovered by Captain Heroic.

I agree. It would be refreshing to see a Star Trek story told from a non-starfleet perspective. Not to say Starfleet can't be in it but it would from the outside looking in. The closest Star Trek has come to this is DS9 although despite all the alien influences surrounding it, the narrative was still primarily told from a Starfleet perspective.

 

[az.asbury]

It was not "cancelled" at all. The only series that was cancelled was TOS and ENT.

CBS decided to take a break because they thought they had watered down the franchise during late 90's and had "trek fatigue".

Yes the current films are a success but again those are movies, we're not talking about movies, we're talking about TV series. This does not in any way say they would decide to reboot TV series and go back to TOS era or base it on JJverse at all. That is just your wishful thinking. Where as my thinking is based yes on wishful but also on evidence that the vast majority of people who have been outspoken about this do not want JJverse as a series. They want prime universe. You only have to look on the official CBS site/announcement or on startrek.com comments to see this. It's also on just about every other StarTrek forum and group where the vast majority do not want it.

You can keep telling yourself that it will be in JJverse all you want but does not make it any more likely simply because you want it that way.

IMO it would be better set after Dominion War (20 years) but what I am thinking will be more likely will be that it's set 100 years in future.

 

[az.asbury]

I would like to see a new TV of film series that projects Trek 100 or 200 years beyond the Picard area, Or return to the Deep Space-9 and Voyager series to see where they went 100 years after their original setting
Has the new generation bought into the franchise ???

 

[intrinsical]

I agree. It would be refreshing to see a Star Trek story told from a non-starfleet perspective. Not to say Starfleet can't be in it but it would from the outside looking in. The closest Star Trek has come to this is DS9 although despite all the alien influences surrounding it, the narrative was still primarily told from a Starfleet perspective.

I feel that as a series that is supposed to be a revival for Star Trek on the small screen, the show should be somewhat traditional and be centered on a ship named Enterprise. However, a second series told from a non-Starfleet angle would be a very cool idea as it expands the Trek universe. In fact, my dream tv series to follow Voyager was centered on a Federation Embassy/Consulate set in post Dominion War Cardassia.

 

[eyeresist]

I am liking my idea of movie-length episodes more and more. These would give the show a chance to explore the larger universe and wider ramifications of events.

 

[Tim Walker]

I was thinking about a comment by eyesrsist-perhaps The Powers That Be will keep us guessing about continuity. Maybe takes bits and pieces from different Prime series/movies, mix in bits and pieces from Abrahmsverse, and maybe borrow an idea or two from the novels.

 

[Jerikka Dawn]

I was thinking about a comment by eyesrsist-perhaps The Powers That Be will keep us guessing about continuity. Maybe takes bits and pieces from different Prime series/movies, mix in bits and pieces from Abrahmsverse, and maybe borrow an idea or two from the novels.

Or really screw with us and have Antimatter NuLazarus fighting Mirror-AmarilloVerse Kirk aboard Prime-Enterprise-J.