Star Trek 2017 will not be set in the JJ-Verse

[Gov Kodos]

Again, You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

Facts have a way of doing that.

 

[ADz83]

Facts have a way of doing that.

Your opinions make you feel better. Fact.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Your opinions make you feel better. Fact.

It's no opinion that the TNG era was cancelled and hasn't been in production for years. It's no opinion that the current film series is a success. Unlike everything you've argued to no persuasive effect.

 

[ADz83]

It's no opinion that the TNG era was cancelled and hasn't been in production for years. It's no opinion that the current film series is a success. Unlike everything you've argued to no persuasive effect.

It was not "cancelled" at all. The only series that was cancelled was TOS and ENT.

CBS decided to take a break because they thought they had watered down the franchise during late 90's and had "trek fatigue".

Yes the current films are a success but again those are movies, we're not talking about movies, we're talking about TV series. This does not in any way say they would decide to reboot TV series and go back to TOS era or base it on JJverse at all. That is just your wishful thinking. Where as my thinking is based yes on wishful but also on evidence that the vast majority of people who have been outspoken about this do not want JJverse as a series. They want prime universe. You only have to look on the official CBS site/announcement or on startrek.com comments to see this. It's also on just about every other StarTrek forum and group where the vast majority do not want it.

You can keep telling yourself that it will be in JJverse all you want but does not make it any more likely simply because you want it that way.

IMO it would be better set after Dominion War (20 years) but what I am thinking will be more likely will be that it's set 100 years in future.

 

[Gov Kodos]

It was not "cancelled" at all. The only series that was cancelled was TOS and ENT.

CBS decided to take a break because they thought they had watered down the franchise during late 90's and had "trek fatigue".

Yeah, production was cancelled. Gone. Done. Dead. McCoy 'He's dead, Jim,' dead.

Yes the current films are a success but again those are movies, we're not talking about movies, we're talking about TV series. This does not in any way say they would decide to reboot TV series and go back to TOS era or base it on JJverse at all.

No, but more likely than going back to the cancelled stuff. Success tends to bring a bit more interest than failure in most parts of life.

That is just your wishful thinking.

The irony of that really is impressive.

Where as my thinking is based yes on wishful but also on evidence that the vast majority of people who have been outspoken about this do not want JJverse as a series. They want prime universe. You only have to look on the official CBS site/announcement or on startrek.com comments to see this. It's also on just about every other StarTrek forum and group where the vast majority do not want it.

Anecdotal evidence is still anecdotal.

You can keep telling yourself that it will be in JJverse all you want but does not make it any more likely simply because you want it that way.

I've been looking for a compelling reason for it to be set in the failed setting of the past version rather than the successful setting of the present version of Star Trek.

IMO it would be better set after Dominion War (20 years) but what I am thinking will be more likely will be that it's set 100 years in future.

Can't see why that would do any better than what already sent audiences elsewhere after 4 series.

 

[ADz83]

Again, If telling yourself that it will be set in the JJverse makes you feel better, you do that.

Ok, lets have a bit of fun and have a wager. I will here and now bet £100GBP that it is not set in the TOS era or JJVerse era. Care to match my bet? If I am wrong I will hold my hands up and pay you.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Again, If telling yourself that it will be set in the JJverse makes you feel better, you do that.

You've done nothing in this thread but tell yourself what you want to hear.

 

[ADz83]

You've done nothing in this thread but tell yourself what you want to hear.

WRONG, I've told you what you don't want to hear!

If I have done "nothing" but told myself what I wanted to hear I would have just said they are going to do sequel to DS9. But in fact I also stated that it is more likely that they would set it 100+ in future like they did after TOS.

 

[Gov Kodos]

WRONG, I've told you what you don't want to hear!

If I have done "nothing" but told myself what I wanted to hear I would have just said they are going to do sequel to DS9. But in fact I also stated that it is more likely that they would set it 100+ in future like they did after TOS.

That's not what you said earlier.

Prime Universe and after Dominion War or do not bother.

It worked when TNG was produced. They changed a hell of a lot.
I wouldn't like to see the jump in years though. I would prefer 20 years max.

 

[ADz83]

That's not what you said earlier.

Actually it IS what I said earlier. You are just chrry picking. I cleary stated..
"IMO it would be better set after Dominion War (20 years) but what I am thinking will be more likely will be that it's set 100 years in future."

Now, by your assertion I was simply telling myself "nothing" except what I wanted to here, That is clearly not true as I sated in my previous reply.

You are the only person here doing that.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Actually it IS what I said earlier. You are just chrry picking. I cleary stated..
"IMO it would be better set after Dominion War (20 years) but what I am thinking will be more likely will be that it's set 100 years in future."

Now, by your assertion I was simply telling myself "nothing" except what I wanted to here, That is clearly not true as I sated in my previous reply.

You are the only person here doing that.

Those quotes of yours that you edited out say otherwise. So, apart from anecdotal opinion and your shifting opinion, I don't see why your idea would be the way to go.

 

[ADz83]

Those quotes of yours that you edited out say otherwise. So, apart from anecdotal opinion and your shifting opinion, I don't see why your idea would be the way to go.

I didn't edit anything out and the parts you quoted do not contradict what I said in any way shape or form.

Let's take another look shall we....

Again, If telling yourself that it will be set in the JJverse makes you feel better, you do that.

Ok, lets have a bit of fun and have a wager. I will here and now bet £100GBP that it is not set in the TOS era or JJVerse era. Care to match my bet? If I am wrong I will hold my hands up and pay you.

You've done nothing in this thread but tell yourself what you want to hear.

You tried to turn what I said around. I stated that all you're doing is telling yourself what you wanted to hear as it makes you feel better.

You then tried to make the same assertion as me but aimed at me which is clearly not true because if I had done nothing but tell myself what I wanted to here I would not have admitted that it is more likely that another scenario would happen, ie that it's set 100+ years in future like it did after TOS. IF all I said is what I wanted to hear I would not have stated that and only stated my preference which would be 20 years after Dominion Wars.

Now, I see you ignored my £100 GBP wager, I am quite willing and happy to publicly make this bet with you. I bet that it is not set in TOS or JJVerse.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I didn't edit anything out and the parts you quoted do not contradict what I said in any way shape or form.

Let's take another look shall we....






You tried to turn what I said around. I stated that all you're doing is telling yourself what you wanted to hear as it makes you feel better.

You then tried to make the same assertion as me but aimed at me which is clearly not true because if I had done nothing but tell myself what I wanted to here I would not have admitted that it is more likely that another scenario would happen, ie that it's set 100+ years in future like it did after TOS. IF all I said is what I wanted to hear I would not have stated that and only stated my preference which would be 20 years after Dominion Wars.

Now, I see you ignored my £100 GBP wager, I am quite willing and happy to publicly make this bet with you. I bet that it is not set in TOS or JJVerse.

And shifting goal posts won't help. You've been trying to sell the idea a new series will be in the TNG era based on your opinion and second hand anecdotal opinion. Moreover, they would use that failed concept over the reboot enjoying success. In short, doing nothing but telling yourself (and us ad nauseum) what you want to hear.

 

[Squiggy]

Was an opinion based on what I have seen on many boards/groups and sites and vast majority of what I have seen would indicate they would not want a JJverse series. CBS would be stupid to try another reboot series after failure of ENT, especially when public opinion is so against it.

It would make more sense to create a sequel, shortly after Dominion War (ex 20 years) or big jump again like from TOS>TNG.

You're seriously overestimating the number of people who know what the Dominion War was.

 

[ADz83]

And shifting goal posts won't help. You've been trying to sell the idea a new series will be in the TNG era based on your opinion and second hand anecdotal opinion. Moreover, they would use that failed concept over the reboot enjoying success. In short, doing nothing but telling yourself (and us ad nauseum) what you want to hear.

Please explain how I was shifting goal posts? I was simply contradicting your assertion. You put the goal posts in place, I simply contradicted you and kicked ball through goal.

Yet again you are talking absolute nonsense. I stated my opinion and preference and said it was more likely that they would do a sequel to DS9 then use the Paramount JJverse as a TV series. I also stated that even more likely than my preference would be that it's set 100+ years in future like TOS>DS9. Again, how is that telling myself what I wanted to hear if I asserted an alternate likelihood to my actual preference? You are the only person here telling yourself what you want to hear because you are ONLY asserting your preference is possible/likely.

Also YET AGAIN you ignored my wager, are you going to ignore it for a 3rd time and show how low in confidence you really are and that you're simply arguing with me for sake of it?

I will publicly make a bet with you now that the new series is NOT set in TOS/JJverse era. Are you willing to publicly make this bet with me in front of your fellow members of this forum or are you going to conveniently side step and ignore it again?

You're seriously overestimating the number of people who know what the Dominion War was.

Any real Star Trek fan knows what the Dominion Wars were. Or are you talking about the NuTrek fans? If so, they're irrelevant. We're talking about TV series, not movies.

 

[Squiggy]

People who saw nu Trek have eyeballs. That's the demographic CBS is going for.

 

[ADz83]

People who saw nu Trek have eyeballs. That's the demographic CBS is going for.

You can have eyeballs and still understand that just because the movie was popular doesn't mean you would want a TV series from it. For example I like the movies and a side/standalone Trek but I personally would not like a TV series based on it or think it would work or be popular.

 

[Gov Kodos]

That's not what you said earlier.

Please explain how I was shifting goal posts? I was simply contradicting your assertion. You put the goal posts in place, I simply contradicted you and kicked ball through goal.

You keep asserting that a TNG era show is what they will do. That's what you did earlier and have been going on endlessly with.

Prime Universe and after Dominion War or do not bother.

It worked when TNG was produced. They changed a hell of a lot.
I wouldn't like to see the jump in years though. I would prefer 20 years max.

Then this?

You can have eyeballs and still understand that just because the movie was popular doesn't mean you would want a TV series from it. For example I like the movies and a side/standalone Trek but I personally would not like a TV series based on it or think it would work or be popular.

How fortunate for JJ and the makers of Star Trek that so many people like what you don't like.

 

[ADz83]

Ok that is THREE times you have ignored my offer of a £100 GBP wager. I will ask AGAIN for a fourth time.

I will wager you publicly here in front of members that the new series will not be in TOS/JJ era. Are you willing to put £100 on the line that it will be set in this era?

 

[JoeZhang]

I stated my opinion and preference and said it was more likely that they would do a sequel to DS9 then use the Paramount JJverse as a TV series. I

There is more chance of my idea of "Gene Roddenberry's Love Instructor" being made than that.