ST:TMP - Special, Longer Cut...

[RobertScorpio]

Funny that you mention this. I like the Diector's cut, but I so wanted to see the original (for the original effects, cut scenes, etc) that I found the SLV on VHS on Ebay and bought it for $1.00. First time I've watched a VHS in years. Totally worth it. There's something about the original effects that just have an appeal for me.

Yep..same feel I get with I watch the new fx for TOS...I like them, for the most part, but I miss the old ones too. The new ones, which were made decades after the fact, seem hollow...unliving, if that means anything...

Rob

I haven't been able to bring myself to by the Remastered TOS DVDs yet. I like my old DVDs. I Like the remastered, but it isn't the same. It's like when George Lucas released his Star Wars Special Editions....it's just not the same....

I agree..and I think its because our 'inner mind' knows they are not the original. I bet we would feel the same if we could go into TREK's future and had a syntholic beverage...oh, it might taste like Captain Morgan, but our minds would know...spocko would have to do a mind-meld with us to shut down that part of our brain...

Rob

 

[Chrisisall]

I agree..and I think its because our 'inner mind' knows they are not the original.

No way- I LOVE the remastered OS FX! I LOVE the DC of TMP! I LOVE the JJ'Prise!
Keepin' it NEW is all!

BTW, for those that haven't heard- TMP will be the theatrical on Blu Ray because the DC's new FX were done in 480p.

 

[Captain MAJ]

I agree..and I think its because our 'inner mind' knows they are not the original.

No way- I LOVE the remastered OS FX! I LOVE the DC of TMP! I LOVE the JJ'Prise!
Keepin' it NEW is all!

BTW, for those that haven't heard- TMP will be the theatrical on Blu Ray because the DC's new FX were done in 480p.

I love the new stuff too. But I also have a nostalgic fondness for the old, and I enjoy it, sometimes more, than the new.

 

[Search4]

... so i've been thinking (always dangerous)...

In the inevitable Star Trek: The Motion Picture - The Sequel, does V'ger+Decker come back to earth to look for the Creator, again?

Seems to me that Decker would have a different definition of the Creator. He'd/it'd still want to be looking. All of those thoughts, for both the human and the machine lead back to earth as a starting point...

(Or perhaps they join the Enterprise in "The Final Frontier")

 

[Chrisisall]

I love the new stuff too. But I also have a nostalgic fondness for the old, and I enjoy it, sometimes more, than the new.

We can go back & forth. Some shots of the OS Enterprise are priceless in the original opticals...

... so i've been thinking (always dangerous)...

In the inevitable Star Trek: The Motion Picture - The Sequel, does V'ger+Decker come back to earth to look for the Creator, again?

They're on a galactic honeymoon- intermix evolution precludes pedestrian interests.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Kassidy Yates mentioned that her mom wanted a minister to marry her and Benjamin Sisko.

Your point?

The point is that people of faith clearly exist in the 23rd and 24th centuries and that there is still a need for ministers.

 

[Joker]

Faith exists. Dogma doesn't.

 

[Gary Sebben]

Faith exists. Dogma doesn't.

Or, like in Europe right now, Dogma exists but faith doesn't.

 

[USS Mariner]

Kassidy Yates mentioned that her mom wanted a minister to marry her and Benjamin Sisko.

Your point?

The point is that people of faith clearly exist in the 23rd and 24th centuries and that there is still a need for ministers.

...which had nothing to do with whether or not Bones is actually religious or if he's just knowledgeable about religious faiths and texts. That line doesn't lend itself to being a declaration of faith more so than it does as a flippant statement of horror (or both, though it's clear to me that the latter was a conscious intention on the part of the writers.)

Besides, how is the beliefs of a family from a century later even remotely connected to this question? My personal beliefs have no relevance to the faith of a Doughboy in the trenches in WWI, and that's about the same level of connection Yates has with Bones.

 

[USS Mariner]

Faith exists. Dogma doesn't.

More precisely, "Both exist, but neither are always justified"

 

[Joker]

We're talking humanity's idealised Star Trek future, not our present.

 

[trevanian]

We're talking humanity's idealised Star Trek future, not our present.

If you can't figure out how to get there from here, it is going to stay idealized.

 

[TigerOfDarkness]

...which had nothing to do with whether or not Bones is actually religious or if he's just knowledgeable about religious faiths and texts. That line doesn't lend itself to being a declaration of faith more so than it does as a flippant statement of horror (or both, though it's clear to me that the latter was a conscious intention on the part of the writers.)

It always seemed to me that Bones was a man of faith, though probably not involved in organised religion as such.

 

[Gary Sebben]

It always seemed to me that Bones was a man of faith, though probably not involved in organised religion as such.

How's that? McCoy was the humanist. Nothing he ever said translated into faith or acknowledgment of a creator. The Archangel line is more blasphemous than anything else. He's saying that he, a mortal, could easily trick less advanced beings into thinking he was a god by doing some tech magic. It's that easy!

And his "capture god...disappointment" and "according to myth" lines in the films pretty much wraps it up.

 

[dru]

McCoy was the humanist. Nothing he ever said translated into faith or acknowledgment of a creator.

"Jim! You don't ask the Almighty for his ID!" - McCoy, STV:TFF

Sounds like a believer to me.

 

[Green Shirt]

Look at the wormhole scene........everyone had got the point of how much shaking to do during that scene---except Ilia. She is doing this ridiculous 'over' shaking totally out of sync with the rest of the crew. For a scene that took weeks to shoot she couldn't get the timing down with all the other actors?

Well, in her defense she DID get the boob shaking down pat in that scene.

 

[TigerOfDarkness]

It always seemed to me that Bones was a man of faith, though probably not involved in organised religion as such.

How's that? McCoy was the humanist. Nothing he ever said translated into faith or acknowledgment of a creator. The Archangel line is more blasphemous than anything else. He's saying that he, a mortal, could easily trick less advanced beings into thinking he was a god by doing some tech magic. It's that easy!

And his "capture god...disappointment" and "according to myth" lines in the films pretty much wraps it up.

The problem is there is no actual proof either way and I don't particularly mind either way. For all Roddenberry's rejection of religion, there are a number of religious references in TOS.

 

[Gary Sebben]

McCoy was the humanist. Nothing he ever said translated into faith or acknowledgment of a creator.

"Jim! You don't ask the Almighty for his ID!" - McCoy, STV:TFF

Sounds like a believer to me.

TFF is too bizarre and out of character movie for any of the crew its hard to take any of it seriously. I mean, the original plot was to have a battle of daemons and angels. Could you image?