ST:TMP - Special, Longer Cut...

[destructive]

with all this flippin' technology, blu-ray, dvd, downloads, there's no fucking excuse NOT to release the damm SLV, let's go Paramount, get it together

whatever, i'll just make my own fucking edit

 

[Gary Sebben]

with all this flippin' technology, blu-ray, dvd, downloads, there's no fucking excuse NOT to release the damm SLV, let's go Paramount, get it together

whatever, i'll just make my own fucking edit

Please do. And let me know where I can get it when you're done. 720p please!

No, but seriously, let me know.

 

[Maurice]

One person disagrees. They whined to the moderators about it being offensive.

Oh, wah. Some people...

What character stuff? Sulu falling over Ilia in embarassing mode? a line about "ten miles tall"? Specifics, please.

Any scene where characters talk to each other. Not endless, mindless special effects scenes. The writers refer to it as exposition. George Lucas and others refer to it derisvely. But, the facts are, dialog and exposition are what makes a story. Special effects are tools, NOT the whole movie. How embarrasing the lines are are irrelevent. And, the fault of the writer.

How embarrassing the lines are is irrelevant? What nonsense. And how charitable of you to lay the blame on the writer's doorstep. Which writer do you want to pillory for the crap dialog in TMP? Harold Livingston, or Gene? The producers also tell writers to make changes, and changes are made on the set.

You're also overstating the merits of "any scene where characters talk to each other". Dialog scenes can be a waste of time if it neither moves the plot forward in any meaningful way or is interesting. Thus far, the only examples I've heard of stuff that people really missed in the theatrical version are the very bits cut into the DE. There's nothing excluded from the DE that's in the SLV except maybe one line that adds to the film. Sulu and Ilia = good riddance. "Sexually imature species" = don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Endless bridge crew reports as the ship tries to evade...sorry, fell asleep during that. Kirk and Bones in the airlock = stating the obvious.

 

[Data Holmes]

One person disagrees. They whined to the moderators about it being offensive.

Oh, wah. Some people...

What character stuff? Sulu falling over Ilia in embarassing mode? a line about "ten miles tall"? Specifics, please.

Any scene where characters talk to each other. Not endless, mindless special effects scenes. The writers refer to it as exposition. George Lucas and others refer to it derisvely. But, the facts are, dialog and exposition are what makes a story. Special effects are tools, NOT the whole movie. How embarrasing the lines are are irrelevent. And, the fault of the writer.

How embarrassing the lines are is irrelevant? What nonsense. And how charitable of you to lay the blame on the writer's doorstep. Which writer do you want to pillory for the crap dialog in TMP? Harold Livingston, or Gene? The producers also tell writers to make changes, and changes are made on the set.

You're also overstating the merits of "any scene where characters talk to each other". Dialog scenes can be a waste of time if it neither moves the plot forward in any meaningful way or is interesting. Thus far, the only examples I've heard of stuff that people really missed in the theatrical version are the very bits cut into the DE. There's nothing excluded from the DE that's in the SLV except maybe one line that adds to the film. Sulu and Ilia = good riddance. "Sexually imature species" = don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Endless bridge crew reports as the ship tries to evade...sorry, fell asleep during that. Kirk and Bones in the airlock = stating the obvious.

 

[Maurice]

Someday you too will have a command of the English language. Until then, smiley your heart out.

 

[MarianLH]

I would take that good stuff with a little bad rather than loose it all together.

That's how I feel as well. There's always the FF button.


Marian

 

[Data Holmes]

Someday you too will have a command of the English language. Until then, smiley your heart out.

The DE is a wreak, and for every thing they fixed in TMP with it, they messed up two things or more. How do you answer that problem.

 

[Maurice]

Someday you too will have a command of the English language. Until then, smiley your heart out.

The DE is a wreak, and for every thing they fixed in TMP with it, they messed up two things or more. How do you answer that problem.

First, I assume you mean "wreck". And for all its faults, I'll take the DE over the endless SLV any day of the week, and several days of other weeks.

 

[Gary Sebben]

First, I assume you mean "wreck". And for all its faults, I'll take the DE over the endless SLV any day of the week, and several days of other weeks.

I think there are two camps here and one of them is being extremely silly. If you like TMP you probably want more of it. If you don't like it you probably want less. What's silly about the second position is, if you don't like the movie at all - and it's clear, DS9Sega, that you don't - then leave the film all together to those that do indeed like it. If you enjoy self mutilation so much that you sit through this terribly dialoged, boring film again and again you can surely put up with a few extra minutes of it.

I, for instance, think First Contact is a vast, oozing hemorrhoid on the toned and lightly freckled back side of TNG that festers and itches like no other. I wouldn't tell the legions of fans who proclaim it THEBESTMOVIEEVAR that they can't have an extra minute or two of the Borg Queen licking Data's ear. They can have their polyp of a movie any way they like it as long as I don't have to be in the room when they watch it. I suggest you take on a similar attitude.

 

[Maurice]

First, I assume you mean "wreck". And for all its faults, I'll take the DE over the endless SLV any day of the week, and several days of other weeks.

I think there are two camps here and one of them is being extremely silly. If you like TMP you probably want more of it. If you don't like it you probably want less. What's silly about the second position is, if you don't like the movie at all - and it's clear, DS9Sega, that you don't - then leave the film all together to those that do indeed like it.

Clearly, you're not familiar with my numerous postings on the topic of TMP because if you had the slightest familiarity with them you'd know that TMP is virtually the ONLY Trek movie I actually like.

Besides the arrogance of presuming you can tell someone what they think, that you can suggest that there are only two possible poles (those who love it and want more, and those who dislike it and want less) is either naïve or foolish, or both...and certaianly wrongheaded: and that's the more charitable way I can put it.

Let me 'splain it to you in bullet points:

• I like TMP
• Liking it doesn't mean it's not a flawed movie
• The DE fixes some problem but creates a lot of others
• The SLV is an unmitigated PIECE OF CRAP

Clear now?

 

[Gary Sebben]

Clearly, you're not familiar with my numerous postings on the topic of TMP because if you had the slightest familiarity with them you'd know that TMP is virtually the ONLY Trek movie I actually like.

No, I can't say that I am a scholar of your extensive work. I just assumed since you've been making snide remakes through out the thread about people's English and grammar that you were just sort of trolling around.

Quick hint for not being a jerk: Sometimes people's fingers slip and they don't notice the error especially in a forum setting where you're answering back quickly. Lighten up.

 

[RyanKCR]

As I've posted before the perfect TMP for me would be to take the full SLV and make it widescreen and keep its sound mix but fix the airlock sequence and use the DE's wingwalk sequence. I also liiked the added musical cues the DE did, for example the probe in the showerstall scene.

TMP is still the movie I judge all Trek movies back to and none have really been up to the tast.

 

[ST-One]

One person disagrees. They whined to the moderators about it being offensive.

Compared to Spock flipping us all off, it ain't nothin' ...

Keep this up and I will use that avatar again.

 

[Maurice]

Quick hint for not being a jerk: Sometimes people's fingers slip and they don't notice the error especially in a forum setting where you're answering back quickly. Lighten up.

If you can't win the argument, attack the poster. They teach you to watch out for that in high school forensics and debate. Try again when you can actually defend your position.

 

[Psion]

One person disagrees. They whined to the moderators about it being offensive.

Compared to Spock flipping us all off, it ain't nothin' ...

Keep this up and I will use that avatar again.

That one pissed me off every time you posted. I don't recall ever complaining about it though. I'm gonna give myself a nice pat on the back for that.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I vastly prefer the DE over any other version. It really pisses me off that it's not available on Blu-Ray.

That being said, I wish the DE had kept the extended scene with McCoy and Kirk:

McCoy: And another thing...
Kirk: Get out of here, Bones.
McCoy: As ship's doctor, I am now discussing the subject...of command fitness.

I find it odd that this scene wasn't included in the DE. It has no special effects whatsoever, so that couldn't be a reason. And the scene in the theatrical and DE versions is obviously edited (rather badly overdubbed, IMHO), so I don't see how any other version of that scene but the SLV's could come close.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I recall simply being really interested to see all the additional footage - at the time this was first run on ABC and then made available on tape, getting "director's cuts" or special features on home video editions was very rare.

I'm glad to own this movie in every version that I'm aware of their having released.

 

[Gary Sebben]

If you can't win the argument, attack the poster. They teach you to watch out for that in high school forensics and debate. Try again when you can actually defend your position.

Ha ha ha ha ha! Which is what you were doing when you told one person you'll talk to him when he gains command of english and then corrected another's typo. They taught me to watch out for that in college psychology 101: personality projection.

 

[trevanian]

One person disagrees. They whined to the moderators about it being offensive.

Compared to Spock flipping us all off, it ain't nothin' ...

Keep this up and I will use that avatar again.

Feel free, I'm set up to not see any of that stuff now, not the quotes at the bottom of posts or the often insipid pics.

 

[Maurice]

Feel free, I'm set up to not see any of that stuff now, not the quotes at the bottom of posts or the often insipid pics.

Oh how I envy you.