Spoilers ST Strange New Worlds - Starships and Technology Season Two Discussion

[Ithekro]

A mining guild or whatever it was that wanted profit might know enough about Starfleet ships to setup the ship for an active vessel rather than one blown up in the war. It just has to pass muster long enough for the Klingon to go to war, and to be honest, that is not a hard sell. These are Klingons.

 

[mithril]

It’s entirely possible that the ship’s transponder, still intact and in the primary hull, at one time belonged to a registered Crossfield. Since it had been torn apart and cannibalized, they kept the transponder intact, ostensibly to fool Starfleet security sensor nets to get in close to its target. It said it was a Crossfield, but on visual scans it had an unexpectedly different configuration and ideally wouldn’t be identified as a threat until it was too late. Pretty simple Trojan Horse strategy, really.

The confusion admittedly emerges from an identically configured ship parked at the Starbase. That I don’t get. The other stuff, however, is easy.

and the appearance of the back end of the fake ship at the docks isn't entirely just a visual cheat.. those parts had to come from something originally, and the docked ship didn't have its saucer visible to the camera except as a tiny sliver, so it wouldn't be hard to argue that the docked ship was just a ship of the same class that the back end of the 'notfield' frankenship came from. (which honestly, looks like a SNW/TOSified mix of the Akira and Miranda layouts..)
(and while the registry/name thing is an oversight.. it so tiny and brief on screen that you pretty much have to pause the image, enhance it, and zoom in heavily.. which is something that most viewers aren't going to do. so they can excused wanting to to save the expense of creating a new skin for that model)

 

[137th Gebirg]

IIRC, Prodigy had the same problem with their finale fleet. I think there were at least 3 Enterprise-E's there.

Additionally, I suspect that if we had a close-enough look at the copy-paste fleet in the finale of PIC S1, we would have seen the exact same thing, provided any of those ships even had registries to begin with.

 

[Markonian]

IIRC, the PIC1 squadron was unlabeled and lacked surface details like phaser strips. The model was labeled for the Eaglemoss releases and had details added by the STO team.

 

[David cgc]

IIRC, Prodigy had the same problem with their finale fleet. I think there were at least 3 Enterprise-E's there.

Not quite, each model had identical markings, so every Defiant was the Defiant, every Centaur was the Centaur, every Akira was the Thunderchild, and every Sovereign was the Sovereign, except for the little markings on the back of the warp nacelles, which were the Enterprise.

 

[Enterprise1701]

IIRC, the PIC1 squadron was unlabeled and lacked surface details like phaser strips. The model was labeled for the Eaglemoss releases and had details added by the STO team.

I sure wish PRO had taken that approach rather than copying text livery for a nonsensical result.

 

[Tuskin38]

what was the point of her saying ‘Crossfield class, I think’ if it wasn’t supposed to be a Crossfield class?

The fact she said 'I Think'. She wasn't sure. She saw the saucer which was from a Crossfield class.

 

[Dukhat]

She saw the whole ship, actually, not just the saucer. Quite enough to tell that it wasn’t the Crossfield class we know from DSC.

 

[fireproof78]

The fact she said 'I Think'. She wasn't sure. She saw the saucer which was from a Crossfield class.

Yeah there was no certainty in the identification, for obvious reasons.

 

[Tuskin38]

She saw the whole ship, actually, not just the saucer. Quite enough to tell that it wasn’t the Crossfield class we know from DSC.

Clearly it wasn’t since she wasn’t sure

 

[Dukhat]

Clearly it wasn’t since she wasn’t sure

Saucer aside, the ship clearly looks nothing like the Crossfield class from DSC. So her statement is either nonsensical, or this is how a Crossfield class looks in SNW. Visual continuity isn’t CBS Trek’s strong point, you know.

 

[Nightfall to-Ennien]

The multi-ringed saucer is a fairly distinctive feature that we, as of the 23rd century, have only seen on the Crossfields, and we only saw two of those, so it’s entirely possible she had never actually SEEN a stock Crossfield-class, but simply remembered the distinctive ringed saucer and that’s what she was going off of.

 

[Dukhat]

The multi-ringed saucer is a fairly distinctive feature that we, as of the 23rd century, have only seen on the Crossfields, and we only saw two of those, so it’s entirely possible she had never actually SEEN a stock Crossfield-class, but simply remembered the distinctive ringed saucer and that’s what she was going off of.

Sure, I’ll grant that’s possible. Although one would think that Spock, who has seen a Crossfield class, would have corrected her if she was wrong.

 

[Ithekro]

We assume Discovery and Glenn were typical Crossfields, but they should be heavily modified Crossfields to be Spore drive test platforms. A standard Crossfield would have a different setup.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Closer look at the NX-01 artwork in the conference / ready / saddle room. Rendered from the original model assets, apparently - so not the refit we saw / will see in the fleet museum. Young Elvis / Old Elvis preference in art, I guess.

https://twitter.com/timothypeel1/status/1674101253217845274

And the Phoenix:

https://twitter.com/timothypeel1/status/1674101041179000848

Last year they were "sketches" of the USS Essex and NX-01, echoing what was in Archer's ready / kennel room.

Mark

 

[David cgc]

Speaking of VFX not necessarily matching up with the dialog, this week there was a (kind of lousy) image of a Romulan Bird of Prey below a cloud-filled sky which was described as being a photo taken through the telescope of someone who was trying to get a shot of the International Space Station. Apparently, during the day, when it was overcast, without actually using a telescope.

 

[fireproof78]

Speaking of VFX not necessarily matching up with the dialog, this week there was a (kind of lousy) image of a Romulan Bird of Prey below a cloud-filled sky which was described as being a photo taken through the telescope of someone who was trying to get a shot of the International Space Station. Apparently, during the day, when it was overcast, without actually using a telescope.

Unless they switched after spotting the Bird of Prey since it would be visible without a telescope, or use of a spotting scope.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

Or maybe they were trying to use an IR camera or something techie like that..?

While this episode does play Temporal Cold War with the timelines, it DOES mostly confirm that things are at least a little as Doctor Who describes it:

People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

In other words, what with all the time travelling and butterfly effecting stuff happening throughout the franchise, some stuff DOES happen, some stuff is erased, and some stuff just ends up happening anyway. Multiple time incursions move the goalposts on major things - the Eugenics Wars have been established in at least three different centuries by now, NOT including this episode - but they still happen, even if the "prime" timeline changes the minor details.

In other OTHER words, canon is tricky even without time travel, but time traveling through the franchise gives us a convenient "out" on a lot of the niggling details. As with an average Simpsons episode after thirty years, stuff will contradict other episodes constantly - but as long as things are consistent WITHIN THE EPISODE, everything else can be forgiven, no matter how much it riles us continuity nerds up.

In other other OTHER words, the writers are giving themselves license to continue to tell great Star Trek stories like this one, without being a slave to continuity and technology like we nerds would prefer. Thing is though, they ARE using technology to support the explanation, and even if it gives use a preztel-headache, it still works.

Mark

 

[blssdwlf]

Speaking of VFX not necessarily matching up with the dialog, this week there was a (kind of lousy) image of a Romulan Bird of Prey below a cloud-filled sky which was described as being a photo taken through the telescope of someone who was trying to get a shot of the International Space Station. Apparently, during the day, when it was overcast, without actually using a telescope.

Yeah that was weird. However it is even weirder that the Romulan Bird of Prey didn't just wipe out Earth on its own (unless this particular timeline still had the advanced tech that was present in TOS to defend itself.)

 

[Dukhat]

In other other OTHER words, the writers are giving themselves license to continue to tell great Star Trek stories like this one, without being a slave to continuity and technology like we nerds would prefer.

Which is basically what they did back in 2017 with DSC, only they advertised it as something else entirely. And the sheep went along with it.