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Spoilers ST Lower Decks - Starships and Technology Season Three Discussion

To quote the little kid GIF: "Why not both?"

There could be elements of both an EMP device to disable some core systems, while a computer disabling tech could be used to take out non-Karemma systems (so would the Quark 2000 ironically still work?). An EMP could even have been used ONLY locally to the device, to keep anything nearby from fighting back as the comptuer virus or whatever got installed and subsequently did its job.

Mark
 
I mean you're not wrong - the Karemma WERE members of the Dominion, and we have no idea (in this timeline) what their status is following the war. The Breen were an allied faction and no one said that the end of the war meant the dissolution of that alliance, so really anything's possible.

Mark
 
Good god, was it a pleasure to see DS9 again! (and to see what they did with the place after the series' end).

For those keeping track, the Vancouver from "Cupid's Errant Arrow" (S1) gets a mention again, which I liked as a little bit of in-series continuity.
 
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- So DID anyone come back after the first battle with the Pakleds? You'd think Starfleet would've sent SOMEONE to clean up and perhaps retrieve any remaining pieces of the USS Solvang. I mean PH was saying she DIDN'T want to be picked up by Starfleet at the time, so maybe someone did send a ship to salvage the remains? Or maybe she got busy with the escape ship a lot sooner than we thought?

- @Mike McDevitt points out that when the Pakleds are phasering the hull, this time we see the beams of the devices they use poke out the other side - and then stop. Are we looking at a really big phaser sword device? Or are the Pakleds characteristically bad at developing weapons of their own and can't get a range of more than a few hundred meters out of hteir cutting beams, which kinda tracks with how they use hand weapons when taking a ship?

- All four of our LDS heroes are uncharacteristically on the bridge of the Cerritos for their part of the action, and Tendi beams down presumably for medical help, which would suggest this episode doesn't happen in this show's present, unless she requested to beam down for medical duties because of her previous role as PH's docent. Or T'ana didn't want to beam down lest she instinctively go after the locals as prey.

- I think I mentioned it last year, but until someone tells me otherwise I'm just going to assume that most of the evil AIs are really 21st century gaming desktops that developed sentience after their users played one too many rounds of Fallout. They all look like modern gaming rigs.

Mark
 
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There's no stardate given to confirm story placement, so it could be a flashback, but then again Tendi as a bridge officer seems to have been a rarity prior to this season. If Peanut Hamper's wall of count marks indicate days and are fairly regular, she's been stranded at least 159 days, since the stardate equivalent of Dec 4, 2380, so her tiny warp jaunt might have been on Thursday Apr 23, 2381 (couple days before Rutherford's angry-making spa day) and we see at least one winter (or maybe a single snowfall) pass on Areolus. The stardate in "Hear All, Trust Nothing" is June 16, 2381 on the hillschmidt calculator, so in the absence of more referents it could be "the present", mid 2381.
 
Remember, Tendi was Peanut's mentor on the Cerritos so it's possible she requested the Captain that she go down and help talk to her. Freeman's not micromanagey enough that she'd turn down that advantage.

And Tendi's status as a Science Officer trainee AND a medic would make her a more pragmatic choice than sending T'ana down, who likely wouldn't hold back on Peanut even given the Cerritos thought they'd just seen her save the day.
 
3x07:

- So DID anyone come back after the first battle with the Pakleds? You'd think Starfleet would've sent SOMEONE to clean up and perhaps retrieve any remaining pieces of the USS Solvang. I mean PH was saying she DIDN'T want to be picked up by Starfleet at the time, so maybe someone did send a ship to salvage the remains? Or maybe she got busy with the escape ship a lot sooner than we thought?

You would think that SF sent a cleanup detail along with someone to retrieve PH (but Freeman already showed before she forgot about our illustrious quartet at the start of one episode when they were performing maintenance on a comms bouy in space - left them there for 4 hours before remembering to return for them).
In fairness, this isn't Freeman's issue specifically because SOMEONE down the chain of command would/should have known the ensigns were out on maintenance duty... and the captain cannot be expected to keep track of everything, so in that sense, someone else on the Cerritos messed up (perhaps Ransom?).

But Mariner already established that SF is pretty bad at following up on stuff... and sending a ship to clean up the debris field might not have been deemed important enough in case more Pakled ships were waiting in ambush at the time (which would warrant sending a small contingent of ships to do the cleanup instead... like 5 or 10).

- @Mike McDevitt points out that when the Pakleds are phasering the hull, this time we see the beams of the devices they use poke out the other side - and then stop. Are we looking at a really big phaser sword device? Or are the Pakleds characteristically bad at developing weapons of their own and can't get a range of more than a few hundred meters out of hteir cutting beams, which kinda tracks with how they use hand weapons when taking a ship?

Since the Pakleds mainly steal technology from other species and then cobble it together, I don't think they care particularly at how things are arranged... as long as it works.
In that sense, they are indeed quite bad at developing weapons or technology in general of their own.

- All four of our LDS heroes are uncharacteristically on the bridge of the Cerritos for their part of the action, and Tendi beams down presumably for medical help, which would suggest this episode doesn't happen in this show's present, unless she requested to beam down for medical duties because of her previous role as PH's docent. Or T'ana didn't want to beam down lest she instinctively go after the locals as prey.

We've seen previously our ensings on the bridge at any given time throughout the show... sure it was rare, but it happened.
Tendi also started her science officer training program, so her being on the bridge (and history with PH) would warrant her presence on the away team.

- I think I mentioned it last year, but until someone tells me otherwise I'm just going to assume that most of the evil AIs are really 21st century gaming desktops that developed sentience after their users played one too many rounds of Fallout. They all look like modern gaming rigs.
Mark

They do indeed. But its unlikely they could have developed sentience because computers from today don't have the processing power or capacity to develop sentient AI behavior.
The coding we currently use in personal computers is static, its not adaptive.
If the OS in the said gaming rigs used adaptive algorithms capable of rewriting their own code, then yeah, that would make more sense until they started developing basic awareness, and then they could interface with technology that had 'moving parts' to upgrade them and give them moving wires, etc.

But its just as likely these evil AI's are products of other species which were discarded.
Its amazing that none of them managed to became the next Control... but then, Control arose from a freaking starship and had more advanced tech and database at its disposal (so it wouldn't surprise me if these are gaming rigs from other species in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants - maybe some from the Gamma Quadrant too).
 
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There’s an Erstwhile/Sanction/Arcos type freighter in this week’s episode. I hope they don’t refer to it as a Deneva class starship.

And monster maroons!
 
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Paradoxus!

-Unclear canonicity when it comes to USS Wayfarer, Melponar Triplets, Tatasciore IX, Shatanari and its moons, a religion based on a koala, gravcycles, or Ambassador Koro & The Great Soolian Algae Crisis of 2341, but literally all the story elements in CP2 MIGHT be based on reality depending on Bradward’s level of desire for verisimilitude/nerdy accuracy in his movie. According to Mariner, the Chronogami and Wallerian Dutronium are made-up, but Tendi accepted Ambassador Koro & his Terran ancestry very quickly at face value and she and Rutherford have no learning curve on the gravcycles.

-Mariner’s evaluation is at 1900, and Boimler is off duty, suggesting they all are, adding to “Beta Shift is a “day shift”” theory, if they started a movie-like holo program at about 1700. It also tracks if Boimler worked a sweaty shift before they started and hasn’t been drinking enough water as the Holo Borg Queen once indicated.

-Was Captain Dagger’s story programmed for a romantic dalliance with Dr. Gibson… in front of his co-workers? Or would they have been diverted elsewhere?

-Adaptive program will create meaning for the background characters if you go off the plot line, a familiar necessity to anyone who’s enjoyed a tabletop RPG.

-“Stepped out to grab a bite” makes it sound like Rutherford can’t get replicated food INSIDE the holodeck, placing an upper time limit on ‘Trapped in Holodeck’ stories like “Ship in a Bottle” or “The Badgey Directive”. Bradward’s dehydration could make that upper limit even lower.

-Bags under Boimler’s eyes are probably a sign of weeping, but clinical death from dehydration must have been brought on mainly from exerting himself near a heat source in holodeck. Just on a practical level as the secret of life- the holodeck rock god is not far off in recommending love, trust, laughter, water, and sleep.

-“Was it weird using the “crystal buttons” on the Enterprise?!” Casually inserted technology line but delightful to hear! I would have liked an answer instead of a horse bite- and does that tell us that hyposprays hurt?

-Never lean against the warp core. Look but don’t touch! Stevens hasn’t learned the lesson of the changeling from “The Adversary”.

-William Boimler has joined Section 31 on a Defiant-class variant (apparently from one of the Shatner novels?). He has a very legitimate criticism about the black badge that I’ve heard somewhere before. He’s also got a maniacal laugh. It has me wondering if neurosine gas exposure has terrible side effects or if he’s on an infiltration mission to bring down S31 once and for all… except that William B never took a Winger Bingston Acting Class.
 
This show is at its best humor-wise when it points out the stupidity of past shows. Or when it makes fun of itself. When pre-implant Rutherford pointed out the illogic of the California class design, I almost wanted to give him an air-high-five.
 
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- They tossed Billy B's body out the airlock in a burial-at-space. Nevermind the pointlessness of doing so (navigational hazard, it won't decay, it's susceptible to unlikely aliens who'd use the body as a reproductive host...), but did William ask to have his body thrown out? It's not like the Titan was in deep space, would they not have taken his body by to California and presumably his parents or family?

[To be fair, this is assuming he acted alone in faking his death. I'm guessing SOME sort of postmortem body prep for a funeral service could be skipped, and I'm guessing enablming him would be counter productive for a later revival.]

- The Wayfarer doesn't fire quantum torpedoes from its ventral saucer launcher (or anywhere else). And while it may fit the profile of a Nemesis-refit Sovereign class ship, it doesn't seem to have the added launchers or phaser strips. Artistic license again?

- Would it be a breach of protocol for Ransom to tell Mariner about the other Boimler's death?

- Last time it seemed the change in the aspect ratio from inside to outside the holodeck was a perceptive thing. Here, you have to CLIMB OVER the black bars to get through the arch. And I have no idea how either is supposed to work...

- Though at one point, Boimler re-enters the holodeck and there's no need to clear the aspect ratio, he just walks in.

Mark
 
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Maybe? But in general, when someone re-creates an existing starship, we the viewers see it as an exact reproduction as they re-use the exact same sets. If, in-universe, Boims calls up a Sovereign-class ship, what does the Cerritos computer use as a model? Does it save on computer memory and mocks something up based on the ship's specs, and fill it with endless replications of corridor segments because no one would look that close? Or did someone LIDAR-map the USS Sovereign in the early 2370s to be used as an exact template?

Mark
 
The holodeck might be altering the ship's performance based on Boimler's story. Imagine the Kobyashi Maru from ST2 but on the holodeck. The Enterprise would be programmed to be much more brittle and vulnerable to meet the "no-win scenario" parameters even though in actual combat she'd be able to take out a few of those battlecruisers before going down. So the Wayfarer (assuming there is one in the fleet) might have her weapons toned down just enough to get to the next plot point. If she was fully armed as like another Sovereign she might've destroyed or crippled the Romulan ship and prevented them from escaping to the next act of Boimler's story, IMHO.

Also regarding William Boimler's death it might not have been a problem with protocol as the "nearest kin" was notified and it would've been public in Starfleet announcements.
 
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