SPOILERS!!! NEW AICN RUMORS (APRIL 30)

[indranee]

Has this been posted yet?

Spoiler: JJ pulling the other one

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/55344


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** Nimoy's Spock is definitely in the film and will have long and "stately" robes.
** Cumberbatch = Khan.
** There's a "deep space" smackdown between Kirk and Khan in space suits. "Flying" suits per my contact.

 

[Saul]

Good...
Great..
cool...

 

[Gepard]

No way to know if it's wrong, but... I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[22 Stars]

Trek movie has confirmed and added some details.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Spoiler: in case this is a legit spoiler

Nimoy in a cameo is a fine idea. A pasty white guy as Khan is not.

Logic is an issue here. Let's say you can genetically engineer yourself into a superbeing. I can see why you'd make yourself look like Ricardo Montalban, but not a scrawny, weird-looking fugly guy like Cumberband. Not buying it...

 

[M'Sharak]

Trek movie has confirmed and added some details.

And here's that link:

Spoiler: SPOILERS from TrekMovie

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/30/major-star-trek-sequel-spoilers-confirmed/

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Great. They just screwed up the movie.

However, I still hope they make shitloads of money. (And considering the crap that makes money, it doesn't matter if fans are grossly offended - very few of the potential audience will have the first clue who Khan is, and that the role is miscast.) If the second movie is a big success, that's enough to allow Bryan Fuller to start work on a new TV series, which is where Star Trek always needed to be.

I like the guy in the comments section who suggested the title can now be Star Trek: The Rehash.

However, I can't fault JJ's commercial instincts. I roamed around the Khan threads (looking futilely for an indication that Abrams had denied it was Khan - I was sure that happened) and stumbled across this quote from me:

The general public knows: Kirk, Spock, Enterprise, Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, Khan, uh...at this point it all gets real foggy...so that's the universe from which Abrams will choose for the movies.

Ugh, that's the reason he's doing this. The only known villain in Star Trek history is Khan. Still I was hoping for a Klingon as the main villain instead. I can see Cumberbund as a fugly Klingon.

The worst thing about this is that Abrams actually tested Latinos for the role - is he really so deficient in imagination that, just because a Mexican played the role of an Indian in the 60s when nobody knew any better, he should do that today, when there are plenty of ethnically correct actors available? Not sure if that's racist, per se, but it's...ugh...not good.

Ah ha, here's the original denial. Although that could just mean del Toro wasn't playing Khan.

 

[Ryan8bit]

I don't care if they do Khan, but why do they have to pick the whitest guy possible to play him? That really doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Grant]

Many people from northern India are just as white as northern Europeans. They are in facts aryans. Where the original 'white' people came from is northern India. They of course wouldnt be blond or blue eyed and Cumberbatch is not blond and his eyes if blue could be changed with contacts.

 

[indranee]

Trek movie has confirmed and added some details.

And here's that link:

Spoiler: SPOILERS from TrekMovie

http://trekmovie.com/2012/04/30/major-star-trek-sequel-spoilers-confirmed/

Thanks M'Sharak.

Re the Cumberbatch spoiler: Suffice to say this was the last thing I wanted but I'll withhold judgment only because I really, really like Cumberbatch's acting.

Oh well. We can't have everything.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I can't believe the PC types won't be howling about this. And I hope it doesn't impact the global box office, which is already a handicap for Star Trek - the last movie only got about 33% of its BO globally, and it's normal for that figure to be more like 50% today.

I get why Abrams would go for Khan just from name recognition (it's the same reason why he went for Kirk, Spock and Enterprise), but here he has an "international" character who is beautifully positioned to bump up that global box office to where it should be, and he wastes the opportunity by casting some white guy, who is ugly to boot.

The suggestion in another thread to get a Bollywood actor, or at the very least, someone of the right ethnic type (NOT a Latino!) might have helped. But now it's going to be "Star Trek is racist," ugh.)

Many people from northern India are just as white as northern Europeans.

Fine, cast one of them. The problem here is: everyone knows Cumberbatch is British. That just comes off as...colonial or something...people are going to take offense, and some of them are people who need to be buying tickets! Why court a PR disaster like this, when making the guy a Klingon instead (or casting someone ethnically correct for Khan) would have avoided any possible issue?

Anyway, it will make life interesting for a while around here.

 

[indranee]

Many people from northern India are just as white as northern Europeans. They are in facts aryans. Where the original 'white' people came from is northern India. They of course wouldnt be blond or blue eyed and Cumberbatch is not blond and his eyes if blue could be changed with contacts.

That's been a contestable theory for a while. And, the correct term is "Caucasoids", not "Aryans".

Btw, Cumberbatch is a ginger. And I guess they'll have to give him a fake tan. Ugh.

I don't have a problem with Cumberbatch being Khan. I just have a problem with them rehashing Khan. Why can't JJ and his henchmen leave the original movies well enough alone?! Whatever the hell happened to originality?

 

[indranee]

I can't believe the PC types won't be howling about this. And I hope it doesn't impact the global box office, which is already a handicap for Star Trek - the last movie only got about 33% of its BO globally, and it's normal for that figure to be more like 50% today.

I get why Abrams would go for Khan just from name recognition (it's the same reason why he went for Kirk, Spock and Enterprise), but here he has an "international" character who is beautifully positioned to bump up that global box office to where it should be, and he wastes the opportunity by casting some white guy, who is ugly to boot.

The suggestion in another thread to get a Bollywood actor, or at the very least, someone of the right ethnic type (NOT a Latino!) might have helped. But now it's going to be "Star Trek is racist," ugh.)

Many people from northern India are just as white as northern Europeans.

Fine, cast one of them. The problem here is: everyone knows Cumberbatch is British. Why court a PR disaster like this, when making the guy a Klingon instead (or casting someone ethnically correct for Khan) would have avoided any possible issue?

Aside from the "color" bias, I don't have a problem with his looks. You keep saying he's ugly. I don't think he is. AT ALL. He's got a very unique look but he certainly isn't ugly.

Oh well, in the eyes of the beholder and all that, I guess...

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I find himextremely hard to look at. Compare him with Ricardo Montalban sometime, who is gorgeous. I can't buy an ugly guy as some kind of "perfect human type." If you're genetically engineering yourself to be "perfect," why not make yourself handsome?

Anyway, a villain can be ugly, no big deal about that. I'm more concerned about the global PR impact of this, which I'm not sure Abrams has fully considered. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a case of a lunkheaded American who doesn't understand how things are perceived worldwide (or the importance of such things in a global industry like movies.)

 

[Ryan8bit]

Many people from northern India are just as white as northern Europeans.

Yeah, but there's still a difference between people with olive skin and no tan, and a really pale white guy.

It seems to me like having Khan would be a good opportunity to not have a white British guy play the villain, yet they revert to that trope.

 

[indranee]

I'm more concerned about the global PR impact of this, which I'm not sure Abrams has fully considered. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a case of a lunkheaded American who doesn't understand how things are perceived worldwide (or the importance of such things in a global industry like movies.)

Agreed. It's a risk. Huge risk. I sure hope that audition was f**k-awesome and JJ knows what he's doing.

 

[indranee]

Many people from northern India are just as white as northern Europeans.

Yeah, but there's still a difference between people with olive skin and no tan, and a really pale white guy.

It seems to me like having Khan would be a good opportunity to not have a white British guy play the villain, yet they revert to that trope.

And he's not that well-known outside the British Isles either. So if they were going for name recognition in terms of the actor, Cumberbatch really doesn't make much sense.

 

[SeerSGB]

Question is, is this Khan our Khan or is he going to be a Klingon-Augment.


Though I wonder, are they going off Spock-Prime in this one or is Spock-Alt going to get the axe? Got it: Spock-Prime transfers his katra to Spock-Alt.

 

[Grant]

Two other things.......

currently in India is an obsession with lightening of the skin---since the caste system is based partly on skin color. Maybe it continues...........

and who is to say Khan doesn't have mixed ancestory---a european mother?

Cumberbatch is not ugly. He may not be as handsome as soneone thinks Moltalban was, but who cares?

He is being hired for his acting skill not his degree of beauty.

As far as Khan goes---I don't care. If the story is a great one Khan is fine. If it's a bad story then a great new adversary doesn't mean a thing--it will fail.

I think we will see a version of Khan neither based on 'Space Seed' or 'Wrath', but a version of Khan based on how he was found and defrosted in the altered timeline.

A villain who hopefully will be seen as powerful, intelligent, egomaniacal, driven and formidable.

I welcome the Klingons as well--despite them being used dozens of times before.

I have faith it will be a great action-adventure movie.

 

[Saul]

1. Cumberbatch is an excellent Actor.
2. He has worked out hard to bulk up for this film.


On a personal note are fans of the previous movie bitching about this one? Eric Bana isn't exactly a big name actor nor did he have much presence in the previous movie. I had some problems with the reimgained JJ Directed Trek 09 but this sequel gets my full backing of doing everything perfect so far!