Spock will die in the next movie
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Everyone with any kind of Transformer knowledge knows that the 1986 Transformers movie sucked. Although not as bad as Revenge of the Fallen. And everyone should know the real reason why they killed Optimus Prime (and everyone else) in the 1986 movie.
Because the same tricks from past movies worked so well for Nemesis.
After Voyager neutered the Borg, I hope they never ever ever use them again. Ever.
Spock dying is canon.You know I've noticed a pattern in Trek movie speculation since Abrams has become involved.
In Trek XI it was speculated the Spock Prime would die.
In Trek XII it is being speculated that NuSpock will die.
I ask you what has Spock ever done to you people that you want him to die?
Given that Spock is hugely popular and Quinto seems to be embracing both the franchise and his predecessor, it seems extremely unlikely that Spock is ever going to die again. He only died first time because at that point in his life Nimoy was trying to draw a line under Spock - they tempted him back with the promise of directing the next movie.
Berman was involved in Star Trek II and III? Didn't know that.
I'm pretty sure he was making two separate points there.
Not that it's relevant to the discussion, but as I understand it, Nimoy decided to stay with the franchise because he was actually having fun during the filming of TWOK (as opposed to the massive headache that TMP apparently was), and only after that did he get the director's chair.
But I might be mistaken.
I think the decision to keep the door open for Spock's return was made very late on but Nimoy had already turned down playing Spock as part of Phase II (although that may have ended up being on a part-time basis) and was only tempted back when it became a movie. I think he was keen to leave Spock behind to a degree and his death would have meant he could do that but the strength of fan feeling probably in addition to the more positive experience of TWoK tempted him to change his mind. Who knows how much information was thrown out there as a bargaining tool to net him some bigger bucks?
Would have loved to see the TOS movies go on without Spock. Also would have loved to see the Excelsior being Kirk's new ship. And not killing off David would have also been awesome. Yet they always pushed the big red button and brought Spock back, brought the Enterprise back and got rid of Kirk's son.
Now that they rebooted, I think they really should take the chance to do unusual stuff. They destroyed Vulcan, fine. But now they have the opportunity to really go new way with the characters. If they don't do it, then I don't understand the need for a reboot at all.
Orci (or was it Quinto) already said that it's highly probable they forget about the Spock/Uhura thing by the next movie. They will probably not even mention the aftermath of Vulcan's destruction once. So it's again same old, same old.
Now that they rebooted, I think they really should take the chance to do unusual stuff. They destroyed Vulcan, fine. But now they have the opportunity to really go new way with the characters. If they don't do it, then I don't understand the need for a reboot at all.
Orci (or was it Quinto) already said that it's highly probable they forget about the Spock/Uhura thing by the next movie. They will probably not even mention the aftermath of Vulcan's destruction once. So it's again same old, same old.
That's quite wishful thinking you have going on there. . . Orci has said nothing of the kind about "forgetting" about Spock and Uhura. . . as a matter of fact, no one in the production team who gives interviews on the state of the script would EVER let something like that slip. . .they are cagey when asked. . .but let's see what they have said:
J.J. Abrams in a "Sci Fi Wire Interview": http://scifiwire.com/2009/11/8-big-spoilers-for-star-t.php
Spock (Zachary Quinto) and Uhura (Zoe Saldana) will reach the next level. "Now that we've done that, you can't play that same joke again," Abrams said. "It's got to be about 'What is their relationship?' and 'Who are these people?' That's why the next one, hopefully while still maintaining the sense of fun and adventure, can go a little bit deeper in terms of the script."
On the trekmovie.com on January 22, 2010, Bob Orci had this to say to a S/U fan:
gingerly - January 22, 2010 boborci I know you can’t reveal spoilers, but hoping this is ambiguous enough of a question: Should fans who like Spock and Uhura together be hopeful?
boborci - January 22, 2010 382. gingerly – January 22, 2010 I’ll say this. We’re not going to pretend it never happened.
Mainly though, Bob Orci says "Noted," on points for or against Spock and Uhura when he's chatting with fans. The Bad Robot crew is not going to let any secret out until they absolutely have to, and then they will shroud the answer in so much mystery that you'll be confused as to what question they were answering. . .
They've acknowledged that in the next movie they will have to go into all of the characters and their relationships. . . if they don't deliver on that promise, then you have the right to be pissed off at them, but until we see ST12, you are just talking to hear yourself talk. . . (typing to read your own writing?)
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It's still a totally different thing than saying: "Orci (or was it Quinto) already said that it's highly probable they forget about the Spock/Uhura thing by the next movie."
As long as they deal with the characters fairly, I think that most people will be okay with whatever they choose to do. . . it is just a very vocal minority who don't want anything to change from the holy writ of TOS that are screaming the loudest about Spock and Uhura. . . and we have the writer's (and director/producer's) words that they are going to deal with the changes in the characters. . .
~FS
As long as they deal with the characters fairly, I think that most people will be okay with whatever they choose to do. . . it is just a very vocal minority who don't want anything to change from the holy writ of TOS that are screaming the loudest about Spock and Uhura. . . and we have the writer's (and director/producer's) words that they are going to deal with the changes in the characters. . .
~FS
Well, them and a legion of k/s shippers who have deluded themselves into believing that kirk/spock is actually canon.
They are going to keep on with the Spock/Uhura thing because of the demographic it attracts. Remember that a movie like Star Trek needs to be appealing to all 'Four Quadrants' to be a success when taking into consideration the amount of money they spend on it.
Star Trek needs to throw a bone to the female demos and that is why they did Spock/Uhura. If the death of Optimus Prime was to 'sell toys' as a poster indicated earlier then Spock/Uhura is selling Trek to teen/tween girls
They are going to throw Spock/Uhura in our faces again whether we want it or not and Spocks death or near dying or whatever means there will be something for Uhura to do.
Star Trek needs to throw a bone to the female demos and that is why they did Spock/Uhura. If the death of Optimus Prime was to 'sell toys' as a poster indicated earlier then Spock/Uhura is selling Trek to teen/tween girls
They are going to throw Spock/Uhura in our faces again whether we want it or not and Spocks death or near dying or whatever means there will be something for Uhura to do.
I think the one to die in the next movie will be Cupcake.
They'll be on a landing party and Cupcake will die one of those sudden, random, utterly meaningless redshirt deaths. Kirk'll say, "Serves the fucktard right!", then they'll carry on like nothing happend.
They'll be on a landing party and Cupcake will die one of those sudden, random, utterly meaningless redshirt deaths. Kirk'll say, "Serves the fucktard right!", then they'll carry on like nothing happend.
They are going to keep on with the Spock/Uhura thing because of the demographic it attracts. Remember that a movie like Star Trek needs to be appealing to all 'Four Quadrants' to be a success when taking into consideration the amount of money they spend on it.
Star Trek needs to throw a bone to the female demos and that is why they did Spock/Uhura. If the death of Optimus Prime was to 'sell toys' as a poster indicated earlier then Spock/Uhura is selling Trek to teen/tween girls
They are going to throw Spock/Uhura in our faces again whether we want it or not and Spocks death or near dying or whatever means there will be something for Uhura to do.
Wow. . . that's a really limited and sad view of what Uhura can be as a character.
BTW, Star Trek didn't really attract the "Twilight" audience. . . and just so you know, Spock/Uhura attracts more than "tween/teen girls" (hell, Star Trek author Greg Cox is a fan). . . besides, if it weren't for women fans (like Bjo Trimble - who is "responsible for creating Star Trek fandom almost singlehandedly". . . and all the women who created fanzines in the 70s and wrote and circulated short stories in them, and made Kirk and Spock the symbol of slash fiction - which I understand tween/teen girls are quite into these days) there would be no Star Trek or Trek fandom as we know it. . . Fandom has NEVER been an all boys club, and in fact, some of the most passionate fans have been female. . . so, if the writers are smart (and while there are extremely vocal people on this board who doubt that, but I don't see any of them writing and producing movies and tv shows that people actually watch) they will give Uhura "something to do" that has nothing to do with her relationship to Spock. She is, after all, one of the main seven characters, and she's been sorely neglected since the beginning. . . and these guys happen to have a pretty good track record with female characters. . . Uhura's a 23rd century woman, she can have a job she's good at AND a hot boyfriend. . . what a concept!
If you look at most of the internet polls on the Spock/Uhura relationship, (which, even being skewed by the demographics on sites like this one) you will find that the majority of people are cool with it. . .
And Spock won't die in the next movie. . .
~FS
Well what can she be? Prior to the Spock thing she just received communications and was a minor character with little to do, now she has been pushed to the fore using this romance no one saw coming just to be more appealing to certain demographics.
Or might it be a few people think that having a "The O.C." style hot-and-heavy romance is totally contradictory to the concept of a Vulcan's emotional control? I wouldn't have any problem with Spock/Uhura if he just showed a little more restraint. Like, you know, a Vulcan.
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