Spock and Chapel Handhold Thread (S3 x 02)

[Mutai Sho-Rin]

True. I supposed I'm wondering if we'll see the feelings remain / rebuild over the season and series. Right now, Chapel seems to not have any feelings remaining for Spock which feels like whiplash to me. I do hope they show the feelings as they can still have a powerful relationship without being together. Jim and Pam lit up T.V screens of years on the Office without being together

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[Captain Jollydark]

I have to be honest. I don't see how she was cold or cruel. She seemed genuinely uncomfortable and regretful, and she made it pretty clear before leaving that the time they were taking was for their own, independent healing, and not for the healing of the relationship. That said, I still think that Spock and Chapel will end up together. Narratively, it seems pretty unsatisfying if they don't. I imagine a flash forward far beyond the time of this series in which Spock and Chapel reunite in some fashion. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I think it would make a nice bookend from which to view what all of this meant, including things like Pike's Legacy and so on.

Didn't she say something about no romantic gestures in the previous episode? She and Korby appeared NOT to want to rub it in his face but he insisted. Also in the still photos from WBB there's one of her sitting at the bar with Spock so likely there was a scene cut where she reached out.

 

[The Wormhole]

The whiplash between wanting and not wanting a relationship. Throughout S1 and most of S2 it's clear that Chapel has issues with commitment (likely due to her PTSD) and this is leading her to put a wedge between her and Spock. It's also the reason that she's NEVER pursued a relationship. Three months later it's like it never happened and she's eager for a committed relationship. Sure, people change and she might have met someone who changed her mind but this is an enormous change in only three months and it's not discussed or acknowledged.

Love strikes when one is least expecting or not wanting it. Chapel might have said she wasn't pursuing a relationship, she may have even meant it. The she met Korby and her feelings shifted. This sort of thing happens, it's one of life's mysteries regarding matters of the heart.

I really liked the Spock / Chapel romance and friendship. Who would want to see everything including their friendship fall apart?

That's the story they want to tell, Spock and Chapel are the failed romance in which the two of them rather awkwardly try to move on despite both still caring for each other very deeply.

 

[indranee]

IMO Chapock feels like it has better word flow.


I never did. SNW cuts super close to the bone with established TOS 'history' but they do seem to try and stay within the specific statements (while ignoring the obvious intent) ...I always assumed this relationship would end in a way that leaves the TOS relationship intact.

Spock has opened himself up, got heart-smashed for it, will possibly decide not to let that happen again.


"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting."

THIS. It was never meant to happen, right? But not only that, the fact that they made Korby so likeable and open tells me that Chapel rebounded heavily into his arms once she found out that she was never going to be "it" in Spock's future. Then, once Korby was gone, she was back to "mooning over" (I hate that term and but it is what it is) Spock.

Much thanks for bringing in the "wanting vs having" phrase. I kept thinking about it last night after watching WB.

The fact is that Spock is hurt. Very hurt. And the only way for a Human/Vulcan hybrid to deal with that kind of pain is to close oneself off. This stays firmly in canon. I am sure if the writers are inclined that way we will see quite a lot of UST (Unspoken Sexual Tension -- I am not using the accepted term "unresolved" here bc frankly THAT'S been done and done) in the ensuing episodes, but the physical relationship itself is over, and the sooner the "Spapel" folks realize and accept that, the better. Otherwise, it's dangerous non-canon material.

 

[indranee]

But isn't it established that Chapel is deeply in love with Spock during TOS? She's in love with Spock while searching for Korby. They need to get her feelings back there at the very least.

TOS -- while episodic -- was not aired in a serialized fashion, so we don't know exactly when and if Christine "gave up" on Korby and "went back to mooning over Spock" other than the fact that at the end of WALGMO she was no longer expecting Korby to be her husband.

 

[indranee]

Yes I am but I'm mostly disappointed by just how cold and cruel she was. There was no need for that and I don't think it aligns well with S1 and 2 where she was a good friend and genuinely good person. I wouldn't put a former partner in that position when it was so easily avoidable. I very surprised that they've made a choice to have Chapel do this.

I really liked the Spock / Chapel romance and friendship. Who would want to see everything including their friendship fall apart?

So sorry for the spam but that is EXACTLY where this was going to go. Did you not see TOS? Why do you think this happened? Christine was always there for Spock in TOS. She was RIGHT THERE. But he did not go there with her ever again. Something had to have happened BEFORE we see them in TOS for Spock to behave that way IN TOS. So THIS happened. Once bitten, twice shy is the adage you're looking at. I'm quite happy with this because I was afraid they were going to mess with canon on this show as soon as I saw the Spock/Chapel thing happening.

Also, I don't see Chapel as cold toward Spock in Wedding Blues. I feel that she's moving on but her feelings are still there and she feels very guilty. Her face when she was asked to tell the "romantic story" when Spock was standing there and also when he turned and left did not tell me that she was cold. She's still in love with him, but she's pushing him away bc she now knows she's not what "his future" needs.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Chock. Yeah, that's what I'm going with.

 

[Dar70]

That's ok. I can still enjoy stories with known outcomes.

And Trek is definitely mixed in romance so less is more.

I still would have liked a complete unknown relationship play out during the show. I think the last Romance we saw in Trek Play out over multiple seasons was Blanna Torres and Tom Paris. Besides Michael Burnham and Book..

 

[Nerys Myk]

Pike and Batel?

 

[fireproof78]

I still would have liked a complete unknown relationship play out during the show. I think the last Romance we saw in Trek Play out over multiple seasons was Blanna Torres and Tom Paris. Besides Michael Burnham and Book..

Maybe you'll get it in the Academy series.

 

[Ovation]

Maybe you'll get it in the Academy series.

Is it secretly a sitcom with Holly Hunter dealing with Paul Giamatti’s shenanigans?