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Spidey OUT of MCU

JD said:
One of the very first issue of Amazing Spider-Man has him trying to get the Fantastic Four to let him join them, so he's been crossing over with other characters since the very beginning.
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suarezguy said:
Because he felt that was a necessary way to support himself and his aunt, not because he wanted the glory of being on the team.
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TREK_GOD_1 said:
Exactly. Anyone who read that story cannot use that as a parallel to the behavior of the "I wanna be recognized/sidekick, Mr. Stark" MCU Spider-Man. The comic version always saw joining a team as a practical matter to find some kind of support, but not only did it fail to work out (in the Silver Age), but he always decided to back away as the conditions were not to his liking, such as his (ultimately) not wanting to join the Avengers (after they sent him to capture the Hulk) and wanting to remain independent as seen in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #3 (1966).
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None of this has anything to do with my post, all I was doing was pointing out that Spidey was already interacting other superheroes in his second appearance.
TREK_GOD_1 said:
All so true. Others are talking about what worked in the comics, what defined and made the character memorable / important to that fictional universe, not just grab whatever crap was published and toss in on screen.



..and that's nowhere to be found with MCU / "You're my hero, Mister Stark" Spider-Man.



Well, that's what happened when the filmmaker was a real, longtime fan of the character, and his greatest published stories. He respected that, and put the best of what the character could be on screen.



Yes--as a stating point for the character, MCU Spider-Man is far removed from where he needed to be emotionally and how he related to the world.
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The current movies are not approaching things they way Raimi did on purpose, they are trying to do something different with the character than what the previous movies did. Their approach is just as accurate to the comics, it' just emphasizing different elements of the comics from the ones that Raimi did.
 
EnderAKH said:
My apologies, I thought I was perfectly clear, what with the quoting and all. Let me spell it out clearly for you. HE said "The MCU transformed Spider-Man from his overcoming struggles as an individual into Spidey-Lad the Boy Wonder blah blah blah," to which I pointed out the MCU did no such thing, Marvel Comics publishing "transformed Spider-Man from his overcoming struggles as an individual into Spidey-Lad the Boy Wonder blah blah blah" 10 years before Captain America Civil War ever came out. And THEN I pointed out the probable reason for doing this. If one would like to blame someone for the direction the two most recent movies took Spider-Man, I just wanted to point out that the blame properly lies with the people who created and own the character. However, since both movies were incredibly successful, I would think the only people looking for someone to blame reside mostly in this thread.
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You're trying to create a distinction without a difference.

And yes, the movies that featured Tom Holland's Spidey have all been immense financial succcesses, but financial success is not an indicator of quality.

Of the MCU films featuring Spidey, only Far From Home was actually a quality movie.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
No, the MCU transformed Spider-Man from his overcoming struggles as an individual into Spidey-Lad the Boy Wonder begging to join/impress the object of his hero worship/out of nowhere surrogate daddy issue.

Sony will be better off never taking a similar path with their Spider-Man.
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So yeah, you want Spidey to act like he's in his own little world and never develop as a character beyond "Look after Aunt May, never be able to pay the bills".

As opposed to developing beyond that starter stuff.
 
DigificWriter said:
And your point is?

Just because it was done in the comics doesn't mean it was a good story direction to go in with the character.
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Even in the comics it wasn't presented as a good story direction, the story ended up being undone and was made so that it would be, and would have to be, undone.
 
JD said:
The current movies are not approaching things they way Raimi did on purpose, they are trying to do something different with the character than what the previous movies did. Their approach is just as accurate to the comics, it' just emphasizing different elements of the comics from the ones that Raimi did.
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I don't think in the comics, at least pre-JMS, Spider-Man was portrayed as looking up to Iron Man or as being careless about his secret identity.

Anwar said:
So yeah, you want Spidey to act like he's in his own little world and never develop as a character beyond "Look after Aunt May, never be able to pay the bills".

As opposed to developing beyond that starter stuff.
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This version of Spider-Man is portrayed as never being not able to pay bills, it's not development beyond an aspect if the aspect isn't included.
 
suarezguy said:
This version of Spider-Man is portrayed as never being not able to pay bills, it's not development beyond an aspect if the aspect isn't included.
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Or, it merely realizes that's an artifact aspect that shouldn't be that important anymore.

It's like how folks complained he went to some Science School instead of a Public School. Society has moved on folks, nowadays Peter would've been tested and his scores on the placement tests would put him in such a school. The Parkers don't live in a house they couldn't afford without Ben, they wisely realized they couldn't stay and either moved to a smaller apartment or they always did because lifelong renting is actually preferable to some people. Plus there are social assistance programs now to help the financially disadvantaged. Maybe Ben was smart enough to have life insurance while back in the 60s he didn't.

So yeah, stuff like always having bills they can't pay aren't really a huge a problem anymore if some thought is put into it.

Cyanide Muffin said:
Also why the change of Aunt May to a hot Aunt May? I mean she's all kinds of hot now. That feels wrong haha.
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They merely realized that it made more sense for the Aunt of a teenager to be around 50 or mid 40s instead of like 75.
 
Oh, for fuck's sake.
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Anwar said:
It's like how folks complained he went to some Science School instead of a Public School. Society has moved on folks, nowadays Peter would've been tested and his scores on the placement tests would put him in such a school.
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Scholarships exist, I don't think they're so plentiful that Peter being smart would realistically necessarily get him into a private science school (especially when Peter didn't seem to be putting that much effort into his schoolwork or, if he had a scholarship, worried that he could lose it), let alone that him being in one is a change for the better.
 
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