Spidey OUT of MCU

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  1. Serveaux

    Serveaux Tasteless and unnecessary Premium Member

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    They were. But shortly you'll start hearing chatter about how clever they were, "playing along game," uh-huh uh-huh. :lol:

    Sony got a substantially better deal out of this than Disney was trying to negotiate previously. Being the one willing to walk away just about always works better than any other tactic.*

    *Sometimes you walk away empty-handed after all - but with no real reason to think you'd have done better by staying.
     
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  2. M.A.C.O.

    M.A.C.O. Commodore Commodore

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    Double dose of good news today. Superman Returns (again) and Spider-Man comes home (...again).
     
  3. Gaith

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    We can prognosticate about a Deadpool 3 all day, but the claim that Disney has publicly committed to making it is false.
     
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  5. flavaflav

    flavaflav Fleet Captain Premium Member

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    Yup.
     
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  6. JD

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    Glad to hear it, especially since the cliffhanger means that this one will probably be one of the most direct sequels we've gotten yet, other than Infinity War and Endgame.
     
  7. TREK_GOD_1

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    Expect that.

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  8. Reverend

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    I don't think Sony has any real creative input into what Marvel does with the character in their own movies. If his final appearance in say in an Avengers movie, theoretically they can kill him off (again! ;) ) and have him "gone"from the MCU. Now Sony may be free to go right on making Spider-man movies on their own, but if Holland chooses that time to bow out too, then they're most likely back to rebooting it again.

    Yeah, I don't think Disney would be that stupid, since that just puts Sony in a position to play silly buggers again in a few years. It'd be a long term deal, set in stone to make sure this wont' have to be renegotiated all over again in 2 or 3 years. That i's basically just two movies says to me Marvel either wants to round the character out and move on, or they know Sony won't be relevant in 2-3 years.

    So far as I understand, the deal Sony went for was Disney's original offer from a while back. Which means Sony were holding out for better terms. That they chose to accept it *now* just days after the SW announcement to me smacks of capitulation. I mean they couldn't even budge Disney down a single percent OR get any of the merch profits as I suggested back in August might be on the table.

    Make no mistake, The Mouse was in the position of strength here, not Sony. I mean Disney can loose Spider-Man and just eat the loss of profit and investment and not even break stride, while for Sony going it alone is 1) more expensive since they don't have a co-financier 2) more risky due to their previous failed attempts at keeping this IP going and the absence of a larger mega-franchise like the MCU to buoy up the audience numbers.
     
  9. Nerys Myk

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    I'd place Spider-Man in the next Avengers film.
     
  10. flavaflav

    flavaflav Fleet Captain Premium Member

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    What about FF...
     
  11. Serveaux

    Serveaux Tasteless and unnecessary Premium Member

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    Dwayne Johnson should play...Reed Richards. ;)
     
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  12. Nerys Myk

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    I'd love to see that but it only works if the FF are an established team. Though I guess Pete could seek out Reed as a replacement Tony.
     
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  13. M.A.C.O.

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    I will say the timing of this is convenient. Far From Home's blu-ray is scheduled to be released this coming Tuesday, October 1st. This will definitely drive sales up.
     
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  14. Alidar Jarok

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    My recollection is that Disney originally pushed for 25% for an agreement renewal prior to Far From Home's release and Sony rejected it (or stonewalled it). Once the movie made a Billion, Disney felt they had an even stronger negotiating position and asked for 50%. Obviously, if Sony was unhappy with 25%, they're certainly not going to appreciate 50%. But, in light of the movie's success, some compromises where Marvel Studios will reference Sony's side movies, the public backlash against Sony, Sony decided it was in their interests to reconsider that original 25% offer and Disney, I'm sure, recognized that 50% was a non-starter.
     
  15. kitik

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    Time to lock the thread?
     
  16. Timby

    Timby Game ... OVER! Administrator

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    They do. Sony, contractually, has final say over what happens to Spider-Man in MCU films.
     
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  17. Serveaux

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    Of course.
     
  18. flavaflav

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    Let's be honest here. We all know Sony's "final say" consists of signing checks to Marvel and picking up the finished product. Their story input is nil.
     
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  19. Tosk

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    Plus, it goes the other way too. Marvel have veto power over what happens in a Sony Spider-Man movie. This was apparently the case even before the MCU deal. Sony do not own Spider-Man. They lease the rights to release movies about him.
     
  20. Serveaux

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    Not really. They'll protect the character's value to their projects, to the point of walking away from Disney.