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Spider-Man: Homecoming' anticipation thread

The only one of the Raimi films I really liked was 2, although I found it had a lot of pointless digressions in it such as Peter's neighbor and the self-indulgent extended Bruce Campbell cameo. I didn't like that they started off with MJ in the first one instead of doing (or at least setting up) the Gwen Stacy story, which neutered some of the rest of the Green Goblin storyline they did use, plus Green Goblin looked incredibly stupid with that motionless metal mask. Good casting overall though. I kind of remember thinking 3 didn't deserve quite the hate it got, and kudos to them for tackling the symbiont story in some way, but it suffered for shoehorning Gwen in at that point, and very awkwardly to boot. In all I'd say they were very uneven.

ASM2...It's got a good musical score
You're dead to me.:rofl:
 
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You're dead to me.:rofl:

Actually I was surprised I liked Hans Zimmer's ASM2 score so much, since I hated his work on Nolan Batman and Snyder Superman. But his Spidey theme was probably the best one the character's had in the movies so far, and there was some really interesting stuff done with Electro's music, even though it was in a style I'm not generally partial to. Zimmer's quite a chameleonic composer, adapting his style to fit a lot of different directorial tastes. Which means that sometimes I like his work a lot and sometimes I hate it.
 
I also hated the Raimi films with the exception of J.K. Simmons, Alfred Molina, Willem Dafoe, James Franco, and Rosemary Harris. Tobey Maguire and especially Kirsten Dunst were terrible.

Conversely, I loved Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone as Peter/Spidey and Gwen, but the content of their films were also terrible, particularly the whole Richard Parker mystery.

Still waiting for a good Spider-Man film and I'm not certain this one will be it either because I didn't want high school Spider-Man again.
 
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Does not compute. To each their own. However, even those who prefer the Garfield version typically like some of the series or at least SM2. Hate both 1 & 2????

Above all else, I hated the tone and the casting (with a few exceptions - Aunt May, JJ Jameson, Sandman). I wanted to like 2, because Alfred Molina is a great actor and I expected him to do something really interesting, but it was easily the worst performance I'd ever seen from him - wooden as hell - so I see no reason at all to consider it any better than the first (especially since the story was basically the same). Actually, the raimi movie I disliked the least was SM3, because despite the terrible venom bs, Sandman was the only villain in the trilogy that felt like a real person, and the harry osborn storyline seemed moderately well done.
 
What I liked about Raimi's first two Spider-Man movies was the timing. It was the first time we got a real super-hero movie that really felt like it cared about the comic book roots of the character. The X-Men previously did a good job of making the characters seem like they could fit in the "real world" but some of Raimi's shots in those movies were lifted straight from the panels of the books. It was really a live action comic book despite some of the liberties take with the source material, like the web shooters.
 
I enjoyed all three of the Sam Rami/Tobey Maguire movies. My favorite is "SPIDER-MAN 2" and my least favorite is "SPIDER-MAN", the first one. I think "SPIDER-MAN 2" is one of the best comic book hero movies I have ever seen, hands down.

I liked the Marc Webb/Andrew Garfield movies, but not as much as the Rami/Maguire ones. I think I liked "ASM2" a little more. It's a pity that Sony didn't give Garfield a third film.

Umm, you do know Downey doesn't actually write the films, right? They pay him to do what they want him to do. (He ad-libs a lot, sure, but within the framework of the plots they come up with.)


Umm, I do know that Downey Jr. had insisted upon being the co-lead of "CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR", instead of simply being a supporting character. The media had reported this. And Marvel, in their never ending stupidity, allowed this to happen; which is why I could not tell whether the movie was a Captain America solo flick, part Iron Man movie, or third Avengers film.
 
Why is that important to be able to tell? You're free to dislike or like it but it is not important that you can categorize it.
 
Umm, I do know that Downey Jr. had insisted upon being the co-lead of "CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR", instead of simply being a supporting character. The media had reported this. And Marvel, in their never ending stupidity, allowed this to happen; which is why I could not tell whether the movie was a Captain America solo flick, part Iron Man movie, or third Avengers film.

Okay, that's technically true, but it's strange to me that you think it was a bad decision. The film works great with Tony and Steve as co-leads. It makes sense for the story, given that they were the lead characters in the comics' version, but it improves greatly on the comics by giving Tony a more nuanced characterization.

Your only objection seems to be that you couldn't tell what label to stick on it, but that's by far the least important thing about a story. Often, the best stories are those that defy easy categorization, that are distinctly themselves. Yes, it's a Cap movie and an Iron Man movie and an Avengers movie, because that's the sort of thing the MCU's well-developed continuity makes possible. It's a logical outgrowth of everything leading up to it. The fact that it can't be simplistically cubbyholed is hardly a negative.
 
Why is that important to be able to tell? You're free to dislike or like it but it is not important that you can categorize it.

Why? Why is it not important that whether I can or cannot categorize it? Why is this important to you?

What is the problem? Do you want me to like "CIVIL WAR". I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen. I didn't like the movie. I cannot help how I feel. I did not need a storyline that was more suited for an Avengers film in a solo Captain America movie. Apparently, you enjoyed it. Good for you. I, on the other hand, simply did not.


”Some people feel more justified in complaining for a reason, no matter how tenuous”?

I did not like the movie and I had explained why I didn't like it. If people can express why they liked a certain movie and why . . . I do not see why some people cannot do the same if they dislike a movie.

And due to Downey Jr. dominating nearly half of "CAPTAIN AMERICA 3", thanks to the screenplay, I'm wary about how big his presence will be in this new Spider-Man movie . . . especially since this is supposed to be a solo film for Tom Holland.
 
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What is the problem? Do you want me to like "CIVIL WAR". I'm sorry, but that's not going to happen. I didn't like the movie. I cannot help how I feel. I did not need a storyline that was more suited for an Avengers film in a solo Captain America movie.

So... if it had been called Avengers: Civil War, you'd have been fine with it? If your only problem is that it isn't what you expected from the title, then that doesn't make it a bad movie -- at worst, it makes it a badly titled movie.
 
So... if it had been called Avengers: Civil War, you'd have been fine with it? If your only problem is that it isn't what you expected from the title, then that doesn't make it a bad movie -- at worst, it makes it a badly titled movie.

I get the feeling that you really cannot deal with the fact that I did not like this movie. Am I wrong? I didn't like it. I've already explained why. What are you going to do? Try to convince me to change my mind?

If this latest MCU movie is just badly titled, then Chris Evans was robbed of his third solo film. Is that what you're trying to say? Personally, I think he was robbed regardless.
 
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I get the feeling that you really cannot deal with the fact that I did not like this movie. Am I wrong? I didn't like it. I've already explained why.

Not in any terms I understand. All you've said is that the title led you to expect a solo film (because you were somehow unaware of the abundant advance publicity or the nature of the story being adapted) and the fact that it was actually an ensemble film made it not just unexpected but actually "stupid." I don't understand that even slightly. How does unexpected equal stupid or bad? Lots of stories are great because they show us things we didn't expect. Life will always give us things we don't expect, and sometimes they turn out to be really special. So it's always good to keep an open mind.

Is it just that you don't like Iron Man or Downey?

If this latest MCU movie is just badly titled, then Chris Evans was robbed of his third solo film. Is that what you're trying to say?

Of course not, because that would be a nonsensical thing to say. After all, The Winter Soldier was as much Black Widow's film as Cap's. And this was as much Tony's film as Cap's. In both films, part of what defined Cap was how he played against co-leads who had a contrasting view of the world. That contrast helped define what he stood for, and it also showed how his values influenced others. So it would be absurd to say it took anything away from him.
 
After all, The Winter Soldier was as much Black Widow's film as Cap's.

No it wasn't. The audiences didn't know a thing about the Black Widow until "AGE OF ULTRON". Like Sam and Bucky, Natasha was a supporting character, not a co-lead.

You can believe all you want. If you want to beat the drum for "CAPTAIN AMERICA 3" . . . fine. You haven't changed my mind. Not by a long shot. You'll have to live with the fact that I am a Marvel fan who does not share your feelings about "CAP 3".


And this was as much Tony's film as Cap's

This movie is NOT called "CAPTAIN AMERICA V. IRON MAN". Iron Man is not in the title. Nor is the name Tony Stark. I wanted a third Captain America film, not a fourth Iron Man movie, a third Avengers film or a Captain America/Iron Man movie.

This is one of the reasons why I disliked the movie. One of the reasons. I have already stated other reasons why I disliked it in an earlier post. If you cannot deal with my dislike of the movie . . . TOO BAD. You'll just have to live it with it, just as I have to grit my teeth and live with Robert Downey Jr. hijacking half of Chris Evans' third solo film. We all have our crosses to bear.

I am so tired of people trying to get me to change my mind.
 
After all, The Winter Soldier was as much Black Widow's film as Cap's.

No it wasn't. The audiences didn't know a thing about the Black Widow until "AGE OF ULTRON". Like Sam and Bucky, Natasha was a supporting character, not a co-lead.

That's a rather unusual interpretation. I've seen many reviewers expressing the opinion that it was essentially Captain America and Black Widow: The Winter Soldier. We learned plenty about Natasha in The Avengers and TWS, and she went through a significant part of her growth as a character in TWS (from pragmatic spy and company woman at the start to someone willing to walk away from the spy game to stand with her friends at the end).

This movie is NOT called "CAPTAIN AMERICA V. IRON MAN". Iron Man is not in the title. Nor is the name Tony Stark.

See, this is exactly what I don't understand. You're not criticizing the movie, you're criticizing the title, as if that were the only thing that mattered. And your criticism of the title makes no sense. You're falling prey to the Protagonist Title Fallacy, assuming that a movie's title has to indicate who its lead character is. There are countless movies that are not named after their leads -- e.g. the lead of The Wizard of Oz is Dorothy, the lead of TRON is Kevin Flynn, the lead of Harvey is Elwood P. Dowd, etc. Lots of movies are named for their antagonists, like Dracula or Goldfinger or Predator. Sometimes the later films in a series will keep using a title that no longer applies to them, like The Thin Man (the antagonist in the first film) or The Pink Panther (a diamond featured only in the first and third films) or Friday the 13th.


I wanted a third Captain America film, not a fourth Iron Man movie, a third Avengers film or a Captain America/Iron Man movie.

Okay, that makes some sense, because it's actually about content rather than the title. Are you basically just saying that you like Captain America better than Iron Man or the Avengers?


This is one of the reasons why I disliked the movie. One of the reasons. I have already stated other reasons why I disliked it in an earlier post.

If so, then it wasn't in this thread. I've just reviewed all five of your posts about Civil War in this thread, and the only specific thing you've complained about in any of them was the size of Iron Man's and the Avengers' roles compared to Cap's. And I was confused because you phrased that objection in terms of the title, and I don't understand how anyone could dislike a movie based on a misleading title alone. But if you're actually saying that you just like Cap better than the others, or that you don't like Robert Downey, Jr., then that would be an objection I could at least understand, although I'd still disagree with it. I'm not trying to shoot down your opinion, I'm just deeply confused by the way you've been expressing it.
 
After all, The Winter Soldier was as much Black Widow's film as Cap's.

No it wasn't. The audiences didn't know a thing about the Black Widow until "AGE OF ULTRON". Like Sam and Bucky, Natasha was a supporting character, not a co-lead.

You can believe all you want. If you want to beat the drum for "CAPTAIN AMERICA 3" . . . fine. You haven't changed my mind. Not by a long shot. You'll have to live with the fact that I am a Marvel fan who does not share your feelings about "CAP 3".


And this was as much Tony's film as Cap's

This movie is NOT called "CAPTAIN AMERICA V. IRON MAN". Iron Man is not in the title. Nor is the name Tony Stark. I wanted a third Captain America film, not a fourth Iron Man movie, a third Avengers film or a Captain America/Iron Man movie.

This is one of the reasons why I disliked the movie. One of the reasons. I have already stated other reasons why I disliked it in an earlier post. If you cannot deal with my dislike of the movie . . . TOO BAD. You'll just have to live it with it, just as I have to grit my teeth and live with Robert Downey Jr. hijacking half of Chris Evans' third solo film. We all have our crosses to bear.

I am so tired of people trying to get me to change my mind.
With respect, no one is trying to change your mind, they are trying to do a deep dive into your reasons because they don't understand them. In my opinion the goal of a conversation is not to gain agreement, but to gain understanding. At the moment, it seems your biggest problem with the film based on your posts in this thread is that they did not title this movie "Avengers: Civil War," not necessarily with the content or story. So your argument seems to be, and PLEASE feel free to correct me if I am wrong, that if they had changed the name, and released another more solo Captain America film, you would have been happy. Also, you seem to have some strong dislike for Robert Downey Jr's portrayal of Iron Man, but I can't tell if that is confined to this movie, or all of his appearances in the series. Is that correct?
 
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I wasn't to bothered by Iron Man and the other Avengers roles in CW. I thought that enough of it focused on Steve, his feelings, actions and reactions that I was happy with it as our third Cap movie. Like I said in the CW thread, at this point the characters and world are so interconnected that we probably won't be getting any truly solo movies featuring the original Avengers. Thinking back, technically the only one we've gotten since the first Avengers was Thor: The Dark World. Winter Soldier had Black Widow and Falcon in a fairly prominent roles, and Iron Man 3 was technically a story Tony was telling Bruce Banner. We already know Thor: Ragnarok is going to have Hulk in a fairly major role, and depending on how Infinity War ends any future Captain America or Iron Man movies would probably feature at least one or two other Avengers, even if it was just to deal with why they can't be involved in the movies' events.
EDIT: We ha some new set pics of Tom Holland in the Spidey Suit. Looks pretty much the same as it did in Civil War to me. It's pretty cool to read that Holland is doing a lot of the stunts himself, even when he's in the suit with his face covered.
 
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EDIT: We ha some new set pics of Tom Holland in the Spidey Suit. Looks pretty much the same as it did in Civil War to me. It's pretty cool to read that Holland is doing a lot of the stunts himself, even when he's in the suit with his face covered.

I was trying to think of a reason why the actor would do the shot himself rather than relying on a stunt double. As a rule, the only reason you'd need the actor himself -- whether for a stunt or any other kind of shot -- is if his face is going to be visible. So it'd have to be a shot where he takes the mask off, but why would he do that if he were fighting bad guys? So my guess is that he ducks into the pipe on the back of the truck in order to change back to his street clothes.
 
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