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Some Star Trek Actors are Anti-Trump

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If they wanted to support Hillary Clinton, that's there own business. But I resent them hijacking Star Trek to promote their own political agenda and pitting their (dwindling) fanbase against each other.

I'm sure JJ was leading the charge on this. As if he has ever cared about the "true values" of Star Trek. If he had started off this statement by saying he "was never a Star Trek fan growing up" I would have found this whole thing to be a lot more believable.
 
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If they wanted to support Hillary Clinton, that's there own business. But I resent them hijacking Star Trek to promote their own political agenda and pitting their (dwindling) fanbase against each other.

I'm sure JJ was leading the charge on this. As if he has ever about the "true values" of Star Trek. If he had started off this statement by saying he "was never a Star Trek fan growing up" I would have found this whole thing to be a lot more believable.
That statement is insanely idiotic. They're not hijacking shit. This isn't appearing in Trek and it's plainly stated this is not endorsed by CBS or related to Trek - aside from pretty much everyone of note has signed on for it.

Please tell us what "Gene's True Vision" is. I'd think all the people who worked with him would know - but apparently you know better.
 
I consider myself to be independent who can listen equally to both sides but when a group of actors take one side on behalf of star trek its does worry me.

I don't even know what is worse- that or people actually believing Donald trump truly believes the things he says
 
And yet you're a supporter of Bernie Sanders, you don't see significant overlap?

No, I don't. They've both responded to a general dissatisfaction with the status quo, yes. But their supporters are dissatisfied with different things, and their solutions are even more different. Care to explain exactly where you see a significant overlap?
 
I was a Sanders supporter, I would never vote for Trump under any circumstance. I can't see them being comparable in anyway other than being outsiders. Although Sanders was a known politician who with a solid record, while Trump is a failed business/reality show star/semi-sentient tribble parasitically controlling a bloated corpse.
 
I was a Sanders supporter, I would never vote for Trump under any circumstance. I can't see them being comparable in anyway other than being outsiders. Although Sanders was a known politician who with a solid record, while Trump is a failed business/reality show star/semi-sentient tribble parasitically controlling a bloated corpse.
Don't insult Tribbles like that.
 
Spoken like the true intolerant liberal you are. Good luck voting for the most morally corrupt person ever to run for office.

Aw, because you know me so well...

Liberal, yes. Intolerant? If you're referring to the racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes and misogynists mentioned above, so be it.

But if I'm wrong, post the evidence. I am 47 years old and I have never heard of white supremacist groups making robo-calls on behalf of a Republican or Democratic presidential candidate before. But I got one this past spring. They must have heard something they liked about Trump. And here are some survey results on Trump supporters' racial attitudes:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-race-idUSKCN0ZE2SW

As far as moral corruption, I'm on record as calling Bill Clinton a moral slob, but Hillary Clinton's morals compared to Trump? A man who had to be sued by the Federal government to stop racial discrimination in his properties, who stiffs creditors and then brags about how rich he is, who sets up a phony charity foundation to pay himself, who thinks other peoples' taxes should support the government but not his, who brags about cheating on his wife... If that's supposed to be the standard of morality, wow.
 
One doesn't have to be a "liberal" (which, incidentally, means something different in European countries) to find problems with a nationalist, bigoted, xenophobic, racist repellant demagogue. This man is an abomination.

As a Jewish man, I consider that man to be the most dangerous individual on the planet, and make no apologies for stating that.
 
And yet you're a supporter of Bernie Sanders, you don't see significant overlap?

Aside from them being anti-NAFTA, both men had their share of misogynistic supporters (think Bernie bros). The key difference is Sanders tells his supporters to be civil when they get out of line. Trump adds fuel to the fire (protesters deserve to be roughed up?)
 
Spoken like the true intolerant liberal you are. Good luck voting for the most morally corrupt person ever to run for office.
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Possum already beat me to the Donald Trump joke, so I'll drop a quote by philosopher Karl Popper instead:

"Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant."

He made it quite clear that not all Trump supporters are racists, xenophobes, Islamophobes, and misogynists. But to deny that those groups play a prominent part in his base of supporters is just burying your head in the sand and refusing to accept facts. Trump supporters voluntarily participate in polls and interviews where they openly express those views without shame, so what are you denying it for? Or are you not denying it but saying we should be accepting of their bigoted views, while they do not accept others because of the color of their skin, their gender, their religion, their country of origin, or their sexual orientation?

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http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables
https://thinkprogress.org/is-hillar...is-is-what-the-polling-data-says-2b37625a1df3
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...of_deplorables_hillary_clinton_was_right.html
 
Celebrity endorsements cannot sway my vote. There's nothing wrong with them publicly stating their political preferences.
 
But I resent them hijacking Star Trek to promote their own political agenda

You know, I think Trek's history of being 'topical' is overblown. But...I'll admit that you would lose a good chunk of episodes if TPTB excommunicated every episode that involved a writer pushing their politics in some (usually overly simplistic and clunky) way.

It'd feel a bit hypocritical to only now start worrying about the writers expressing their politics. In a roundabout way, we used to pay them to literally put their politics in the actual show. They didn't need to hijack anything.
 
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