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So what are you reading, now? Part V

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I just finished DS9's The Siege, and it was an OK read, pretty average although I would like to know if the red changeling was one of The Hundred that had been corrupted or was just teasing Odo about his origins. I need to look at Voyages of the Imagination to see if it mentions anything.

Well, of course The Siege was written long before the concept of the Hundred was introduced in the show. So there couldn't have been such an idea in mind when the book was written. Meta was just a shapeshifter who might have been connected to Odo's then-unknown origins, but the answers were left deliberately ambiguous so as not to contradict whatever the show might later establish.
 
I'd had a novel by Eric Flint and David Weber that I hadn't got around to reading, 1633. So far I'm enjoying it.

Next on the agenda is The Burning Wire by Deaver, the DTI novel by Christopher and a couple of freebies from Amazon that I have on the Kindle.
 
Ah, The Burning Wire just came out in paperback here yesterday - have to pick one up on payday.

As for reading - finished the Strontium Dog collection, now onto JLA Year One
 
Ah, The Burning Wire just came out in paperback here yesterday - have to pick one up on payday.

As for reading - finished the Strontium Dog collection, now onto JLA Year One

I saw it in Tesco on the way to work yesterday (Wasn't aware it was out in paperback at the time either so I grabbed it)
 
Ah, The Burning Wire just came out in paperback here yesterday - have to pick one up on payday.

As for reading - finished the Strontium Dog collection, now onto JLA Year One

I saw it in Tesco on the way to work yesterday (Wasn't aware it was out in paperback at the time either so I grabbed it)

Yeah, I saw it in Morrisons, but they have the 2 for £8 offer so I'll see what Lesley wants to add to it to make up the offer. (probably she'll go for the new Nicci French/Gerrard)
 
I just finished DS9's The Siege, and it was an OK read, pretty average although I would like to know if the red changeling was one of The Hundred that had been corrupted or was just teasing Odo about his origins. I need to look at Voyages of the Imagination to see if it mentions anything.

Well, of course The Siege was written long before the concept of the Hundred was introduced in the show. So there couldn't have been such an idea in mind when the book was written. Meta was just a shapeshifter who might have been connected to Odo's then-unknown origins, but the answers were left deliberately ambiguous so as not to contradict whatever the show might later establish.
I had wondered if the Hundred had actually been included in the series bible but not mentioned until more was known about the Dominion due to the serialization of the show. That said, Meta does show similar strengths and weaknesses to Odo and it is possible that the color differential could be due to experimentation? The fact is, Meta did not appear to have the same abilities as other shapeshifters like TUC's Chameloid, the allamorphs or even the one that tried to kill Geordi in "Aquiel." It did appear, from the description, to be just like Odo (though we never did see it revert every cycle) Meta can easily be retconned to be one of the Hundred. We've only met four others: the sick one from "The Begotten," Laas, and the two that Laas sent back to the Great Link in WoDS9: Dominion. That still leaves 95 unaccounted for.
 
I just finished DS9's The Siege, and it was an OK read, pretty average although I would like to know if the red changeling was one of The Hundred that had been corrupted or was just teasing Odo about his origins. I need to look at Voyages of the Imagination to see if it mentions anything.

Well, of course The Siege was written long before the concept of the Hundred was introduced in the show. So there couldn't have been such an idea in mind when the book was written. Meta was just a shapeshifter who might have been connected to Odo's then-unknown origins, but the answers were left deliberately ambiguous so as not to contradict whatever the show might later establish.
I had wondered if the Hundred had actually been included in the series bible but not mentioned until more was known about the Dominion due to the serialization of the show. .

There was nothing about the Dominion or The Hundred in the original bible they sent us writers. In general, tv shows really aren't planned out that far in advance. As I recall, the "bible" for DS9 was only about ten to fifteen pages long and said nothing about future storylines.

There was a diagram of the station, some character bios, some background on the Bajoran/Cardassian situation, and that was about it . . . .
 
^Right. DS9's producers didn't begin developing the ideas for the Dominion until the second season. Various producers had the idea, independently of each other, that the mysterious Founders of the Dominion might turn out to be Odo's people, but they didn't start taking the idea seriously or make it official until they were developing season three. (See The Deep Space Nine Companion, p. 73 & pp. 158-9.)
 
They used to sell some of that kind of stuff on the Roddenbberys' website, but I just checked and they've changed the site and gotten rid of that stuff.
 
I finished Eureka: Brain Box Blues and read Sherlock Holmes - The Adventure of the Blanched Soldier. I've now started on Bitter Fruit, from Mirror Universe: Shards and Shadows.
 
My quest to catch up with 'Destiny' is going along great- all being read via Kindle for iPhone. I've now read:

Titan: Taking Wing/The Red King - both good!
TNG: Q&A - Okay, although the ending seemed... less epic than I was hoping for.
Titan: Orion's Hounds - almost finished this one, I love it so far!

Then all I have to read is:

TNG: Before Dishonor
Titan: Sword Of Damocles
TNG: Greater Than The Sum

and I'm on to Destiny- hooray!
 
I am half way threw mere mortals and I am not finding anything controversial. I am
loving the parts with the columbia's crew. very interesting reading.
 
After what seems like forever, I've finished Summon the Thunder. I'm not sure if just being busy the last few weeks and not getting time to read was the problem or problems with Ward and Dilmore's writing, but it did take me a few weeks to read.

I've decided in that case to skip Paths of Disharmony and read Indistinguishable from Magic as from what's been discussed around here, it may very well be the better read.
 
I think people often get the wrong idea from the word "bible." Fans sometimes take this to mean there's some big, comprehensive volume, locked up in a studio vault, that contains the complete backstories of every major character, detailed maps and diagrams of every planet and starship, and years' worth of future plotlines. More often than, it's actually a twelve-page xerox that leaves plenty of stuff intentionally vague, to be filled in later, and that often gets ignored or discarded as time goes by.

The original bible for VOYAGER listed the EMH as "Dr. Zimmerman" and described Tuvok as an elderly Vulcan who acted as mentor to Torres . . . .

Clearly, the stuff in the early bibles isn't set in stone. If a future writer wants to give Archer a previously unmentioned cousin, they just do so. Most tv series are just made up as they go along.
 
Most tv series are just made up as they go along.
And therein lies the problem. If a TV series had a well defined plot for an x-year(s) run, with outs pre-selected for characters who needed to leave for one reason or another, then you could tell a complete story. Have a meta-arc or just series arcs just in case you get canned, and see what happens...wasn't there a show just like that once upon a time??

*cough* Babylon 5 *cough*

Although there are other issues that screw up TV series:

  1. Months-long hiatus during various points of a season leading to a drop in viewers
  2. Network or executive interference (more angst, less scifi; more scifi, less angst; dump these characters, they don't work, etc.)
  3. Time/Day changes before/during/after hiatus or for no apparent reason whatsoever
  4. Mid-season pickup that doesn't get a chance to build up a following because of bad marketing (Women's Murder Club, Raines, My Own Worst Enemy, etc.)

I'm sure I've missed a bunch.
 
The original bible for VOYAGER listed the EMH as "Dr. Zimmerman" and described Tuvok as an elderly Vulcan who acted as mentor to Torres . . . .

Right, and in the original TNG bible, Worf didn't exist, Riker was called "Bill" and was prejudiced against Data, Data was created by mysterious aliens, Geordi was the liaison with the ship's children (I wonder if he was supposed to read books to them and say "But you don't have to take my word for it"), etc.

And it's not just TV. I got a look at the Vanguard bible when it was just starting up, and it had an outline of maybe 5 or 6 key stories to be told over the course of the series, perhaps with other "filler" books between them -- and then they went and covered about 4 books' worth of it in volume 2 alone, and what we've ended up with since bears little resemblance to what was in the bible.

And therein lies the problem. If a TV series had a well defined plot for an x-year(s) run, with outs pre-selected for characters who needed to leave for one reason or another, then you could tell a complete story.

No, it is not a problem. Trying to make a precise plan in advance and allowing yourself no room for innovation or adaptation to reality is a HORRIBLE idea. Look at the Soviet Union and how disastrously wrong their planned economy always went. As they say, "No plan survives its first encounter with the enemy." The best plan is a flexible plan, one that lets you adjust to reality as you go, rather than one that only works if reality conforms precisely to your guesses (because that's never gonna happen).

On the whole, you don't want to be trapped by old ideas, since you never know when something better will come along or you'll make some great discovery by serendipity. So series bibles, outlines for multi-year sagas, and things like that are always flexible and subject to being revamped or abandoned. Even shows or book series that have long-term plans generally just have various key points they intend to cover and allow a lot of wiggle room about how they get there and when.
 
^ Except for Babylon 5, which had every episode planned out on index cards, one per episode, before the first season even aired. Which is not to say JMS wasn't flexible; he changed THE MAIN CHARACTER from first to second season and fixed all the stories that came after that for that to work out. But he definitely had a specific, comprehensive, and very detailed plan.
 
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