Sorry, I don't know what universe you guys are from, but a guy in spock ears running down the street looks stupid. And if there's anything JJ cares about, it's how things look, not whether they make sense. And it looks stupid. I don't care if he's adopting the proper gait or not. It's stupid, and I bet a lot of people in the audience were on the verge of laughing over it. That's a visceral reaction. How many times did Nimoy ever run anyway? The most physical thing I remember him doing was swimming in Trek IV, when you could see he was still rather thin and in-shape. Turning Spock into a macho fisticuffs action star was just a cringe-worthy decision. They made phasers for a reason. You're telling me you can beam someone to Kronos but you can't tag Khan with a phaser pistol at a distance? If Spock wanted to down Khan, he could have stunned him. He chased Khan in order to inflict physical harm mano a mano--vengeance. I understand the idea that he's losing his cool, but it was totally unsatisfying to have him do so. I do not want to celebrate Spock losing his cool and hoot and holler over it as if I'm watching an episode of professional wrestling, even if it's out of loyalty to his friend. I'd rather see him find a way to KEEP his cool. THAT would have been more heroic. It just sends the wrong message, despite the ending voiceover about "we're not like that". To me, the entire chase is part of the whole train-wreck that begins with Spock yelling "Khaaaaan!" like Vader with his "Nooooo!"
So, was it mysogyny that made the difference?
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He also has a very distinctive walking gait, which Quinto emulated when we first see him in the previous movie.
So people with pointed ears shouldn't run ? I seriously don't understand your point. YOU think it looked stupid. Many of us disagree.
Maybe he should be running like Steven Seagal.
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I can think of a few, off the top of my head. An athletic gait his was not.
However, in the Star Trek universe, a Vulcan running down the street does not look stupid.
That's YOUR visceral reaction. Mine was: 'Wow, they are really running. It actually makes sense that Vulcans would be really fast if they ran on Earth!" And quite frankly, YOU don't get to speak for anyone in the audience but YOURSELF.
They were on a closed set in TOS with painted rocks and plywood walls, there wasn't a lot of room to run.
And all of those hundreds of people on the street. You keep complaining about STID being an action movie, but when it does something that is actually correct and realistic -- like not shooting into a crowded situation -- you complain about that too. Make up your mind already. . .
Again, it is unsatisfying to YOU. Tell us what you think he should have done that would actually work in a movie. . . and not vague platitudes like 'he should have kept his cool,' but specifics.
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Off the top of my head... in "Shore Leave" when him and Kirk are running away from the tiger.
There is just no satisfying some women, then. No matter how heroic the female character, we'll always get complaints of sexism.
Maybe movies should only have women characters, then. Problem solved.
How heroic? You must be joking. I think you're confusing heroic with nonsensical, but then, that was the film...
No, because I came to my conclusions and questions based off of how things poorly played out.
And you seem to forget that data points are a collection of truths that collectively do make a statement.
You didn't say "profession." You said "professional." There's a difference. Like, there are people that practiced the profession of medicine and then lost their licenses to malpractice. I'd hardly say it was professionalism that got them to that end.
Point being, working in a certain profession does not mean that someone is professional, but that's enough with the semantics on this one for me.
I didn't say it had to be her. Why would you think that's what I said? I simply gave you an example of what I thought would have been an intelligent course of action.
Since this thread was started to discuss what happened with her in that scene, that's why I brought up things that related to that scene, but I'm more than happy to expand that. One of Bone's nurses could have asked the question, or someone else on the bridge when McCoy (I assume) informs them that they need more of Khan's blood.
As far as stupid is concerned, well, I think there was enough of that to go around in this film...
Well, they certainly varied according to the plot in this film. You'll get no argument from me on that one!
You sound ashamed of Star Trek, here.
In TOS, they filmed mostly on indoor sets, so there was little room for running, and by the film they were doing movies, Nimoy too old to do any action hero stuff.
What we did see in the series was Spock demomstrating his three-times-human strength (or was it five?), smashing in control consoles etc. Now we're seeing the abilities that logically go hand-in-hand with that - fast running and high jumping.
I loved it when Spock pounded the fuck out of that monitor. (What episode was that in? Amok Time. 
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Also the opening of "A Private Little War":
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And the scene from "Balance of Terror" which has Spock hurrying back toward Phaser Control:
See what you're doing now ? I said "no matter how heroic" the character is, you'll be unhappy with it. If you think Khan's resiliency to phaser stun is inconsistent, fine. But that is not the conversation here. We are talking about alledged sexism in the portrayal of Uhura. Don't try to make it appear as though I'm talking about anything else, as that would be dishonest of you.
Again, you are intentionally twisting my words. AFTER you came to your conclusion, you fitted everything else to it. But your conclusion is wrong.
Completely irrelevant to what I said.
Also the opening of "A Private Little War":
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suqM3zExqcM[/yt]
And the scene from "Balance of Terror" which has Spock hurrying back toward Phaser Control:
IIRC, Spock runs like a lumbering moose in Arena, during the shelling on Cestus III [link].
You have difficulties imagining that because original Spock never was that character. More substance, less action.
Rightfully? Spock is supposed to be logical, not emotional. Yes, there is this half human/half vulcan thing going on, but seriously, Spock was always the logic and reason part. Kirk was the agressive action man.
I always thought that Nimoy had the weirdest running gait - he looked like an albatross getting ready for flight...If Spock runs like an uber-nerd, then that's good, right?
The running scene is one of my favorites in the movie and I think this has a lot to do with it. Spock does run differently than Kirk or Khan, he runs with a certain mechanical quality as if he has learned in Vulcan gym class that this is the most logically efficient way to run. It's awesome
If you want to see dorky running, actual dorkyness as opposed to efficient Vulcan running I will run for you.
I really think people are underestimating the effect of having one's home planet blown up right in front of their eyes.
... or an albatross getting ready for flight ...
I always thought that Nimoy had the weirdest running gait - he looked like an albatross getting ready for flight...If Spock runs like an uber-nerd, then that's good, right?
I agree. Talk about PTSD.
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